A grateful beneficiary of Hellinger's work (in fact I've even written a
very personal book about that), I'm also grateful for this discussion.
While I have sometimes ultimately gained a great deal from moments of
forcefulness from a facilitator, I do feel that it appears the client was
put in a primal survival/soul conflict here The mother reps leaning into
the client's space with needs that were oblivious to the clients reaction
were energetically aggressively (predatory) - though at moments loving.
And it appeared to me that instinctually the client wanted to push away
(fight) and run (flee) rather than (collapse) and submit energetically
(die). And then she was attacked with the microphone...
It is Hellinger 101, but perhaps suggesting they stand and find their
places and then giving the mother some resources might have allowed a next
step to unfold.
I do also know that there is the story of years ago H wrestling a very tall
much younger man to the ground for not bowing to his father. Years later
that man was a sensitive rep of my grandfather in a constellation.
So for me one of the questions that comes out of this excellent discussion
involves the interface of instinctual response, ego narrative protection
and soul movement. Jan Crawford
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Gertrud Yasutake gy1800@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What I see watching this video clip:
The constellation takes place in Russia.
The constellation is done sitting down in a row of seating behind another
row of seated people.
This location gives a sense of being cramped and not allotted the proper
space for whatever issue is addressed.
The facilitator stands and moves around while the representatives sit and
cannot move much, the height difference.
At some point there is some jovial rapport between the two
representatives.
The facilitator does a lot of finger pointing.
The daughter's representative is locked in a long look with the
facilitator, looking up at her with a set and closed face. She gets hit on
the head by the facilitator with the mike (an instrument of power).
The sitting women have no support, male or otherwise. The female
facilitator HAS support from a male.
The male steps in and sends another woman out of the room.
Words of life and death are spoken.
Some interpretation: The constellation has become a Russia issue. Russia
has a very long history of repression, first in the history of serfdom and
later in the history of communism. As Hunter Beaumont explained in one of
his workshops, in many countries that suffer violence, the men become
decimated through war and other terrors. The women have to become the
survivors and strong in carrying on.
The constellation shows three kind of reactions to tyranny: the ones that
disappear, the ones that try to cooperate (mother’s rep) and the ones that
rebel. Sophie and Bert were part of that constellation.
Gertrud Yasutake
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on behalf of Giselle Charbonnier gisellecharbonnier@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:40 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Orders of love and trauma
Dear ones,
I have been wanting to connect with you about this for some months…
Someone sent me a video from Bert which I find quite disturbing. Since
then, I have mixed feelings... I would really appreciate you let me know
your feelings/thoughts about it.
We know the truth he - and Sophie - are holding and yet, in my heart, and
as a trauma therapist, I can’t accept this violence, which also seems
unnecessary. There is some kind of fundamentalism about the orders of love
that seems to be very disconnected. I really wonder about the effects this
has… I could say more, but I would really love if you could let me know
what your thoughts are… The video is in German and Russian… but if you
can’t understand the words, at least you can see the faces and the moment
Sophie hits a participant with the microphone, and, afterwards Bert sends
out someone who complains about this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjp7Frr3QjQ
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.LhPIvLFpm3ckhMNxbB59ugEsDh&pid=Api]<
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjp7Frr3QjQ>
Видео 2<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjp7Frr3QjQ>
www.youtube.com
"Новые" техники семейных расстановок показанные Софией и Бертом
Хеллингером на семинаре ...
With love and gratitude,
Giselle
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Integracion Personal : Técnicas Psicofisicas y Sistémicas ...<
http://www.interbeing.space/>
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inseparable del contexto mayor que incluye sus vínculos con otros seres
humanos y con su entorno.
Giselle Charbonnier
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