Giselle,
Thank you for the question. I am going to hold off for now, as I don’t
understand the interaction and I don’t want to make assumptions. I do have some
strong opinions about some aspects of the Hellingers’ work, having seen them
work in Mexico City, but I’ll hold off until I hear more.
However, I do want to say thank you to Heiki for this amazing article from
Wilfried Nelles. It is so very rich and useful on the topic of soul movements,
and how they are at the root of ALL constellations, classic and new. Much
appreciated.
Peace, Leslie
The Rev. Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
“Trust as a Way of Life…”
www.conviviumconstellations.com
"Hasten to that which supports." - The I Ching
On Apr 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks Giselle!
As I studied with IKSR (in Tallinn) these excerpts make it easier for me to
understand where that particular school (Mikhail Burnyaschev's) fits.
Somehow I never came upon these pieces online, but it is quite clear that
the school is distanced from Hellinger -- as well as the reasons for such
distance.
Of course there is a long history of opposition to Bert Hellinger's
contribution "from within", from people who use some elements of SCW in
therapeutic context. One interesting document showcasing the tensions is
the 2004 Potsdam Erklärung (the English translation seems to be down,
here's German: http://www.syhom.de/dokumente/potsdamererklaerung.pdf).
One article that discusses such tensions and developments is this:
http://www.nellesinstitut.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ClassicalFamilyConstellations.Webdoc.pdf
You'll easily find more sources in German.
all the best
Heiki
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Giselle Charbonnier
gisellecharbonnier@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk] <
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear ones,
I have been wanting to connect with you about this for some months…
Someone sent me a video from Bert which I find quite disturbing. Since
then, I have mixed feelings... I would really appreciate you let me know
your feelings/thoughts about it.
We know the truth he - and Sophie - are holding and yet, in my heart, and
as a trauma therapist, I can’t accept this violence, which also seems
unnecessary. There is some kind of fundamentalism about the orders of love
that seems to be very disconnected. I really wonder about the effects this
has… I could say more, but I would really love if you could let me know
what your thoughts are… The video is in German and Russian… but if you
can’t understand the words, at least you can see the faces and the moment
Sophie hits a participant with the microphone, and, afterwards Bert sends
out someone who complains about this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjp7Frr3QjQ
With love and gratitude,
Giselle
*www.interbeing.space* <http://www.interbeing.space>
Giselle Charbonnier
+49 (0)163 834 1924 <+49%20163%208341924>
Bevernstr. 6, 10997, Berlin
