Dear ones
Watching this is also rather dirturbing to me. What comes to my mind is that
human conduct is ever unreliable. The way the "constellation" was facilitated
was full of ego and without any respect and sensitivity from both Sophie and
Bert.
for those who don't understand German or Russian I give the German translation:
Sophie forces the young woman to say to her mother: "You are here the big one".
The daughter says to Sophie that she cannot say it, because she has so many
problems. Still Sophie tries to force her. After the daughter becomes more
irritated Sophie tries the same procedure with the mother. She orders her to
say to the daughter: "You are here the little one". She can't say it either.
Sophie says "You HAVE TO honour the hierarchy", then being frustrated walkes
away. Bert says "This was a good demonstration what it means to violate the
hierarchy (ranking system)." Then someone of the group says something and Bert
asks three times. "Who was talking here?". When he sees the woman he says "Get
out of the door!" Then he says to all: "We don't tolerate it if someone
arrogates to intervene here!"Sitting down he says two times: "Now I made clear
WHO is the big one here!" Sophie says: "It's about life and death. TO VIOLATE
THE HIERARCHY IS LEADING TO DEATH". ....... (resulting in dead silence)
We all make mistakes. But in my opinion the attitude that was demonstrated here
is very harmful to the wonderful gift of constellation work.
Christine RüttimannSwitzerland
"Joanna Malinowska joanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb am 4:24 Mittwoch, 19.April 2017:
Dear Giselle,
Yes, I could not believe my eyes. The girl was hit with a microphone, and quite
hard. Yet what was happening before was also forced. It was visible that mother
and daughter were connected before Sophie was trying to force some words on the
daughter. The mother smiled, the daughter was chatting with her. Then they
became more and more rigid and disconnected. If there was trauma there, then
more trauma has been added. It was also brake of trust, I wonder if this girl
will be open to any therapy in the future.
This was not what Family Constellations is about as it was not love (and no
compassion), even no respect, and definitely nothing from the Knowing Field. It
was just acting from the power and superiority.
When it comes to the TRUTH, nobody holds it. The person can be hold by the
TRUTH when he or she is open to it. Then the TRUTH speaks through him / her. We
can call TRUTH different names, God, or Spirit or just Unconditional Love, or
Universe. Unfortunately, the individuals who are touch by TRUTH quite offer
become grandiose and take it for their personal greatness. And this is how they
loose connection with TRUTH. Or there are some other reasons, sickness or old
age, and they forget. The TRUTH stays and evolves, and we can be always
grateful to them for showing us the way, even if they do not lead anymore.
Thank you fo sharing.
With LOve
Joanna
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:19 AM, 'Heather Embree' heather@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for sharing this, Giselle. That is disturbing for me personally. I
have seen facilitators use physical contact with clients and it’s an act of
trying to put one in place of respecting the order with a notion of punishment.
For me, that scene is publically humiliating and shuts down the younger person
from her truth and feelings. There are real cases of parental abuse that may
not be addressed (I am only going by body language here as I don’t understand
German or Russian), and it an go to further silence someone from the truth of
the issues.
It’s not my style and rather for me the movement with any discord is helping
each person see the other’s humanity, personal violence and learn how to
self-care or self-protect in the face of it.
Thank you for sharing.
Heather
From: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups. com [mailto:ConstellationTalk@ ;
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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:40 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Orders of love and trauma
Dear ones,
I have been wanting to connect with you about this for some months… Someone
sent me a video from Bert which I find quite disturbing. Since then, I have
mixed feelings... I would really appreciate you let me know your
feelings/thoughts about it.
We know the truth he - and Sophie - are holding and yet, in my heart, and as a
trauma therapist, I can’t accept this violence, which also seems unnecessary.
There is some kind of fundamentalism about the orders of love that seems to be
very disconnected. I really wonder about the effects this has… I could say
more, but I would really love if you could let me know what your thoughts are…
The video is in German and Russian… but if you can’t understand the words, at
least you can see the faces and the moment Sophie hits a participant with the
microphone, and, afterwards Bert sends out someone who complains about this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=hjp7Frr3QjQ
With love and gratitude,
Giselle
<http://www.interbeing.space>
www.interbeing.space
Giselle Charbonnier
+49 (0)163 834 1924
Bevernstr. 6, 10997, Berlin
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