> kevin, do you still need the channel f bios roms for mess ? Sure don't, I got them from Sean Riddle's site. Thanks for offering though... and now I'm talking with Andrew Davie, the official maintainer of DASM, about adding F8 support into the DASM assembler, which offers us an unlimited number of passes, symbol table output to the console, and flat binary output, among other things... plus all of the directives are familiar to Atari programmers already so that might make people more inclined to giving the Channel F a try. Thanks again, Kevin