[bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and subscript

  • From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:06:26 -0700

Good news for Braille readers.

I have checked several superscripts with a validator who had a book with a lot of them in it, and they were in the rtf version of the submission. I was able to determine that the Braille translator does indeed handle superscripts at least. No word on subscripts. For footnotes, this is good news because the numbers will appear as they should for sighted readers, and will be translated correctly into Braille as well. So I don't think there is need to worry about the superscripts at least. I have no idea of any books with subscripts, but if anyone has any, let me know. Keep in mind that they have to not only be in the book, but they have to be in the rtf file that was sent to the Admin Queue, so we know for sure that they went to the Braille translator.

Maybe it was true that the old Braille translator did not handle them correctly. I remember hearing that it did not when I first joined. But it appears that they are okay now.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and subscript


Evan,

We will be interested to know what you find out about subscript and super script. We use Window Eyes as a speech program and I don't know if it identifies those attributes. Thus far, both Mike and I have been validating in Open Book; does it recognize the attributes? Ocasionally, I hear a number after a word or sentence and know that it is a super script footnote number; have deleted that number and entered the same number at the end of the sentence. However, we have not identified any words or partial words in sub or super script; I doubt we have missed any in the books we have validated; at least, we sure hope not!

Cat Lover Lori

----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and subscript


I am looking into what the Braille translator does with them directly. The one instance I found in a book I submitted came out rather strangely, although it is still recognizable as a superscript. For Braille readers, it says: and-sign sup-number sign 2, followed immediately by the number 20 in Nemeth code. But someone with whom I often work says that she adds superscripts regularly for notes, so it looks as it does in the print book. We're going to try to look at some examples today if possible and see what they look like in the brf versions. I have been simply going on what I have read here, so I want to find out directly. That one example is not enough to go on.

I'll report back today or tomorrow on what I have found.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:20 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and subscript


Good idea!! I hope I remember it, because it's much
easier to do that then fix them one at a rime as I've
been doing. smile Thanks, Evan.

Cindy

P.S. I'll bet that will also work for raised and
lowered letters that I've been putting back to normal
one incident at a time.


--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Another thing I just thought of is that she could
select the whole text and
if any of the text is super- or subscripted, it will
say so in the Font
dialogue box in Word. Then she can just uncheck
either or both of them and
desuperscript and desubscript everything. They
should be removed because the
Braille translator does not handle them well, if at
all. I forget what
happens exactly, but they will definitely not appear
as they should in the
Braille version. I can't speak to the Daisy version.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
subscript


> Monica,
>
> I'm curious as to how superscript reads in Jaws.
In
> the sentence in the page Terra sent me to look at,
the
> letters e a r in the word year were in subscript,
> i.e., small and raised above the line, as
footnotes
> often are in books. People have written here that
they
> prefer to have footnote numbers written on the
line
> after the period in the sentence, and without
> parentheses (all this detail for newbies) so I
assume
> that superscript numbers are read differently in
Jaws
> or braille or both. How would parts of a word
read?
>
> I will say, for Terra, she's persistent and
> courageous. This is only her second validation
effort,
> and based on the page she sent me, there are lots
of
> different kinds of problems. She's going to learn
a
> lot from this one book. smile
>
> Cindy
>
>
> Cindy
>
>
> --- Monica Willyard <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Terra. Now that's a question I've never been
>> asked. I don't have a
>> clue, and I'm not sure it matters in the final
>> product since a lot of
>> extra formatting is stripped out. For example,
all
>> tabs are removed. I
>> know they keep the bold text attribute, but I
have
>> no idea what they do
>> with things like fonts or italics in text. I just
>> proofread the document
>> for accuracy and let the Bookshare tools sort out
>> things like fonts
>> unless the book is in a giant font that Jaws
can't
>> read. Then I select
>> all text and adjust it to 16 point Times New
Roman
>> and keep moving. Jaws
>> can't read text in a font size of somewhere
around
>> 32 or larger, so that
>> forces me to adjust the font size. Other than
that,
>> I figure I have
>> enough trouble proofreading the text without
trying
>> to sort out how the
>> text appears on the screen. Maybe someone else
here
>> has a better idea of
>> how to help you.
>>
>> Monica Willyard
>>
>>
>>  Terra Syslo wrote:
>> > Does anyone know how to tell in jaws with word
if
>> something is superscript
>> > or subscript and how to take that out? Sorry
for
>> all the questions, I just
>> > want to make sure I'm getting everything right
>> with this book.
>> >
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