[bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and subscript

  • From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:55:02 -0700

Sorry, I don't follow you here when you say that lowering them all would be easier than raising them one at a time. But if they are already raised, why would you have to raise them one at a time; and why would you want to lower them?


Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and subscript


I guess that's good to know, she said hesitantly. It
means that I won't have to lower the superscript
number, but on the other hand, where it is next to the
period on the same line, I'll have to make the
footnote number superscript. Lowering them all would
be easier than raising them one at a time. What's best
for Daisy readers?

I did write to Lisa to ask what we should do.

Cindy

--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Good news for Braille readers.

I have checked several superscripts with a validator
who had a book with a
lot of them in it, and they were in the rtf version
of the submission. I was
able to determine that the Braille translator does
indeed handle
superscripts at least. No word on subscripts. For
footnotes, this is good
news because the numbers will appear as they should
for sighted readers, and
will be translated correctly into Braille as well.
So I don't think there is
need to worry about the superscripts at least. I
have no idea of any books
with subscripts, but if anyone has any, let me know.
Keep in mind that they
have to not only be in the book, but they have to be
in the rtf file that
was sent to the Admin Queue, so we know for sure
that they went to the
Braille translator.

Maybe it was true that the old Braille translator
did not handle them
correctly. I remember hearing that it did not when I
first joined. But it
appears that they are okay now.

Evan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
subscript


> Evan,
>
> We will be interested to know what you find out
about subscript and super
> script.  We use Window Eyes as a speech program
and I don't know if it
> identifies those attributes.  Thus far, both Mike
and I have been
> validating in Open Book; does it recognize the
attributes?  Ocasionally, I
> hear a number after a word or sentence and know
that it is a super script
> footnote number; have deleted that number and
entered the same number at
> the end of the sentence.  However, we have not
identified any words or
> partial words in sub or super script; I doubt we
have missed any in the
> books we have validated; at least, we sure hope
not!
>
> Cat Lover Lori
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:54 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
subscript
>
>
>>I am looking into what the Braille translator does
with them directly. The
>>one instance I found in a book I submitted came
out rather strangely,
>>although it is still recognizable as a
superscript. For Braille readers,
>>it says: and-sign sup-number sign 2, followed
immediately by the number 20
>>in Nemeth code. But someone with whom I often work
says that she adds
>>superscripts regularly for notes, so it looks as
it does in the print
>>book. We're going to try to look at some examples
today if possible and
>>see what they look like in the brf versions. I
have been simply going on
>>what I have read here, so I want to find out
directly. That one example is
>>not enough to go on.
>>
>> I'll report back today or tomorrow on what I have
found.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:20 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
subscript
>>
>>
>>> Good idea!! I hope I remember it, because it's
much
>>> easier to do that then fix them one at a rime as
I've
>>> been doing. smile Thanks, Evan.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> P.S. I'll bet that will also work for raised and
>>> lowered letters that I've been putting back to
normal
>>> one incident at a time.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another thing I just thought of is that she
could
>>>> select the whole text and
>>>> if any of the text is super- or subscripted, it
will
>>>> say so in the Font
>>>> dialogue box in Word. Then she can just uncheck
>>>> either or both of them and
>>>> desuperscript and desubscript everything. They
>>>> should be removed because the
>>>> Braille translator does not handle them well,
if at
>>>> all. I forget what
>>>> happens exactly, but they will definitely not
appear
>>>> as they should in the
>>>> Braille version. I can't speak to the Daisy
version.
>>>>
>>>> Evan
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:16 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
>>>> subscript
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Monica,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm curious as to how superscript reads in
Jaws.
>>>> In
>>>> > the sentence in the page Terra sent me to
look at,
>>>> the
>>>> > letters e a r in the word year were in
subscript,
>>>> > i.e., small and raised above the line, as
>>>> footnotes
>>>> > often are in books. People have written here
that
>>>> they
>>>> > prefer to have footnote numbers written on
the
>>>> line
>>>> > after the period in the sentence, and without
>>>> > parentheses (all this detail for newbies) so
I
>>>> assume
>>>> > that superscript numbers are read differently
in
>>>> Jaws
>>>> > or braille or both. How would parts of a word
>>>> read?
>>>> >
>>>> > I will say, for Terra, she's persistent and
>>>> > courageous. This is only her second
validation
>>>> effort,
>>>> > and based on the page she sent me, there are
lots
>>>> of
>>>> > different kinds of problems. She's going to
learn
>>>> a
>>>> > lot from this one book. smile
>>>> >
>>>> > Cindy
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Cindy
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- Monica Willyard <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi, Terra. Now that's a question I've never
been
>>>> >> asked. I don't have a
>>>> >> clue, and I'm not sure it matters in the
final
>>>> >> product since a lot of
>>>> >> extra formatting is stripped out. For
example,
>>>> all
>>>> >> tabs are removed. I
>>>> >> know they keep the bold text attribute, but
I
>>>> have
>>>> >> no idea what they do
>>>> >> with things like fonts or italics in text. I
just
>>>> >> proofread the document
>>>> >> for accuracy and let the Bookshare tools
sort out
>>>> >> things like fonts
>>>> >> unless the book is in a giant font that Jaws
>>>> can't
>>>> >> read. Then I select
>>>> >> all text and adjust it to 16 point Times New
>>>> Roman
>>>> >> and keep moving. Jaws
>>>> >> can't read text in a font size of somewhere
>>>> around
>>>> >> 32 or larger, so that
>>>> >> forces me to adjust the font size. Other
than
>>>> that,
>>>> >> I figure I have
>>>> >> enough trouble proofreading the text without
>>>> trying
>>>> >> to sort out how the
>>>> >> text appears on the screen. Maybe someone
else
>>>> here
>>>> >> has a better idea of
>>>> >> how to help you.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Monica Willyard
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>  Terra Syslo wrote:
>>>> >> > Does anyone know how to tell in jaws with
word
>>>> if
>>>> >> something is superscript
>>>> >> > or subscript and how to take that out?
Sorry
>>>> for
>>>> >> all the questions, I just
>>>> >> > want to make sure I'm getting everything
right
>>>> >> with this book.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
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