[bksvol-discuss] Re: opinions on blank pages wanted
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:35:17 -0800 (PST)
Thanks, Gerald.
As you know, I always get confused by what is written
here about the subject--and I keep changing. I'm glad
you posted this with your examples.
Cindy
--- Gerald Hovas <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Blank lines are meaningful to the Bookshare tools,
> but at some point it's
> possible that additional blank lines are being
> discarded. They may be lost
> when the file is converted to the intermediate file
> format (possibly XML)
> which is used to create both the DAISY and BRF
> books.
>
> The reason I say blank lines aren't meaningless is
> because of what I have
> noticed happening in the HTML file which can be
> unpacked along with the
> DAISY files.
>
>
> Here is an example of a page from the first book I
> submitted which does not
> have blank lines at the top and bottom. The text
> comes from the bottom of
> page 9 and the top of page 10. As you can see, I
> stripped the header. All
> of the headers came out garbled because, from what
> my Wife said, they were
> in a smaller, thinner font and printed in green.
>
> ----------
>
> like a freight train, and somebody in it talkin? on
> a phone.?
>
> 9
> [Page Break]
> She turned to the small crowd that had rushed out of
> the Main
>
> ----------
>
>
> Now, here is the same text in the HTML file.
>
> ----------
>
> like a freight train, and somebody in it talkin' on
> a phone.?
>
> 10 She turned to the small crowd that had rushed out
> of the Main
>
> ----------
>
>
> The Stripper recognized the page number for page 10
> properly, but when the
> page number in the tag was added back to page 10 in
> the HTML file, it was
> attached to the front of the first paragraph on that
> page.
>
>
> Now here's an example from the second book I
> submitted which had a blank
> line at the top and bottom of the page. As you can
> see, I've stripped the
> header again.
>
> ----------
>
> and the word spreading through the Grill like so
> much
>
> 11
>
> [Page Break]
>
> wildfire, and spilling out the door and up Main
> Street
>
> ----------
>
>
> Now here's that same text from the HTML file.
>
> ----------
>
> and the word spreading through the Grill like so
> much
>
> 12
>
> wildfire, and spilling out the door and up Main
> Street
>
> ----------
>
>
> This time the page number from the DAISY tag was
> placed on a line by itself
> rather than attaching it to the first paragraph.
> Again you can see that the
> page number is moved to the top of the page because
> of the way the tools
> process page numbers.
>
> Granted two examples aren't much evidence to go on,
> especially when someone
> else validated the two books, but I've seen the
> problem with page numbers in
> many HTML files, and none of the books I've worked
> on have this problem
> other than my first book which doesn't contain a
> blank line at the top and
> bottom of each page. Unless someone can provide an
> example where not having
> the blank line at the top and bottom of the page
> doesn't cause the error,
> I'll continue to believe that the lack of the blank
> lines is the reason for
> the page number bug.
>
> Gerald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Sarah Van
> Oosterwijck
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:53 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: opinions on blank
> pages wanted
>
>
> Blank lines are meaningless to the bookshare system.
> You could put 0 blank
> lines before and after the page number or dozens and
> the system would view
> it the same way. The first and last lines on a page
> are considered
> possible headers or footers no matter their
> placement.
>
> A header is the first single line of text on a page
> followed by a blank
> line.
>
> A footer is the last single line of text on a page
> when it is preceded by a
> blank line.
>
> The number of blank lines before a header or after a
> footer don't matter.
>
> The header or footer is stripped if (1) it is a page
> number, (2) it is text
> that repeats on several other pages.
>
> Page numbers currently only appear in DAISY books
> when read with the right
> software, but in the future, BookShare has informed
> this list, that will
> most likely change. They have indicated that they
> want to improve access
> so that braille readers and users of other software
> might see the page
> numbers as well. We just don't know when or how
> this will be accomplished.
>
> I have started working on a tip about this, but I am
> always trying to be
> too thorough, and I try to write in a way that won't
> confuse. The result
> is that I am very slow.
>
> Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:53 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: opinions on blank
> pages wanted
>
>
> > Pratik,
> >
> > Is there any danger that by having the page number
> on
> > the new line right after the page break that it
> will
> > be deleted by the stripper? I've been leaving a
> blank
> > line before and after my page numbers, whether
> they
> > appear on the top or the bottom of the
> page--likewise,
> > before the page's text. IS this not necessary?
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >>
> >> At the top of the blank page write the pae nmber
> and
> >> press enter twice. So
> >> your page would appears as follows.
> >>
> >> Page break
> >> page number
> >> new line
> >> new line
> >> page break
> >>
> >> This will allow the pagination to continue.
> >>
> >> Pratik
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Pratik Patel
> >> Director, CUNY Assistive Technology Services
> (CATS)
> >> The City University of New York
> >> pratik.patel@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >> Behalf Of Estelnalissi
> >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:46 PM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] opinions on blank pages
> >> wanted
> >>
> >>
> >> ~Hello Everyone,
> >>
> >> Sometimes in the book I'm validating there's a
> blank
> >> page after a chapter.
> >> Page breaks are there one just below the other.
> I've
> >> been placing a blank
> >> line under the page break, writing, blank page on
> >> the second line and
> >> leaving another blank line beneath. I thought the
> >> stripper might delete my 2
> >> words.
> >>
> >> The other question is whether you think I should
> >> write a page number on the
> >> page. That's an oxymoron if ever there was one,
> >> because the blank page would
> >> now contain the words blank page and after a
> skipped
> >> line, a page number.
> >> Some blank, huh?
> >>
> >> In the book, that blank doesn't have a printed
> >> number, but it has been taken
> >> in to account on the following page where the
> >> chapter begins. for example,
> >> last page of chapter is 80, blank page, first
> page
> >> of next chapter is 82.
> >>
> >> I'm asking because I have this bleary notion
> we're
> >> supposed to account for
> >> all pages. I'm afraid if I don't write a notice
> >> that there's a blank page
> >> and assign it's number, the uploading program
> might
> >> think I've left pages
> >> missing.
> >>
> >> Is that extra page break enough to account for
> the
> >> blank page?
> >>
> >> I've been using my judgment on this detail, but
> >> wonder what the rest of you
> >> do or if there's a right way to process these
> blank
> >> pages.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance.
> >>
> >> Always With Love,
> >>
> >> Lissi
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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