Blank lines are meaningful to the Bookshare tools, but at some point it's
possible that additional blank lines are being discarded. They may be
lost
when the file is converted to the intermediate file format (possibly XML)
which is used to create both the DAISY and BRF books.
The reason I say blank lines aren't meaningless is because of what I have
noticed happening in the HTML file which can be unpacked along with the
DAISY files.
Here is an example of a page from the first book I submitted which does
not
have blank lines at the top and bottom. The text comes from the bottom
of
page 9 and the top of page 10. As you can see, I stripped the header.
All
of the headers came out garbled because, from what my Wife said, they
were
in a smaller, thinner font and printed in green.
----------
like a freight train, and somebody in it talkin' on a phone."
9
[Page Break]
She turned to the small crowd that had rushed out of the Main
----------
Now, here is the same text in the HTML file.
----------
like a freight train, and somebody in it talkin' on a phone."
10 She turned to the small crowd that had rushed out of the Main
----------
The Stripper recognized the page number for page 10 properly, but when
the
page number in the tag was added back to page 10 in the HTML file, it was
attached to the front of the first paragraph on that page.
Now here's an example from the second book I submitted which had a blank
line at the top and bottom of the page. As you can see, I've stripped
the
header again.
----------
and the word spreading through the Grill like so much
11
[Page Break]
wildfire, and spilling out the door and up Main Street
----------
Now here's that same text from the HTML file.
----------
and the word spreading through the Grill like so much
12
wildfire, and spilling out the door and up Main Street
----------
This time the page number from the DAISY tag was placed on a line by
itself
rather than attaching it to the first paragraph. Again you can see that
the
page number is moved to the top of the page because of the way the tools
process page numbers.
Granted two examples aren't much evidence to go on, especially when
someone
else validated the two books, but I've seen the problem with page numbers
in
many HTML files, and none of the books I've worked on have this problem
other than my first book which doesn't contain a blank line at the top
and
bottom of each page. Unless someone can provide an example where not
having
the blank line at the top and bottom of the page doesn't cause the error,
I'll continue to believe that the lack of the blank lines is the reason
for
the page number bug.
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sarah Van
Oosterwijck
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:53 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: opinions on blank pages wanted
Blank lines are meaningless to the bookshare system. You could put 0
blank
lines before and after the page number or dozens and the system would
view
it the same way. The first and last lines on a page are considered
possible headers or footers no matter their placement.
A header is the first single line of text on a page followed by a blank
line.
A footer is the last single line of text on a page when it is preceded by
a
blank line.
The number of blank lines before a header or after a footer don't matter.
The header or footer is stripped if (1) it is a page number, (2) it is
text
that repeats on several other pages.
Page numbers currently only appear in DAISY books when read with the
right
software, but in the future, BookShare has informed this list, that will
most likely change. They have indicated that they want to improve access
so that braille readers and users of other software might see the page
numbers as well. We just don't know when or how this will be
accomplished.
I have started working on a tip about this, but I am always trying to be
too thorough, and I try to write in a way that won't confuse. The result
is that I am very slow.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer
http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
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From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:53 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: opinions on blank pages wanted
Pratik,
Is there any danger that by having the page number on
the new line right after the page break that it will
be deleted by the stripper? I've been leaving a blank
line before and after my page numbers, whether they
appear on the top or the bottom of the page--likewise,
before the page's text. IS this not necessary?
Cindy
At the top of the blank page write the pae nmber and
press enter twice. So
your page would appears as follows.
Page break
page number
new line
new line
page break
This will allow the pagination to continue.
Pratik
Pratik Patel
Director, CUNY Assistive Technology Services (CATS)
The City University of New York
pratik.patel@xxxxxxxxxxx
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Estelnalissi
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:46 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] opinions on blank pages
wanted
~Hello Everyone,
Sometimes in the book I'm validating there's a blank
page after a chapter.
Page breaks are there one just below the other. I've
been placing a blank
line under the page break, writing, blank page on
the second line and
leaving another blank line beneath. I thought the
stripper might delete my 2
words.
The other question is whether you think I should
write a page number on the
page. That's an oxymoron if ever there was one,
because the blank page would
now contain the words blank page and after a skipped
line, a page number.
Some blank, huh?
In the book, that blank doesn't have a printed
number, but it has been taken
in to account on the following page where the
chapter begins. for example,
last page of chapter is 80, blank page, first page
of next chapter is 82.
I'm asking because I have this bleary notion we're
supposed to account for
all pages. I'm afraid if I don't write a notice
that there's a blank page
and assign it's number, the uploading program might
think I've left pages
missing.
Is that extra page break enough to account for the
blank page?
I've been using my judgment on this detail, but
wonder what the rest of you
do or if there's a right way to process these blank
pages.
Thank you in advance.
Always With Love,
Lissi
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