[bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?

  • From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:42:11 -0500

You said teen romance books were okay, so I just do not get it either.

Sue S.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Carrie Karnos
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?

Well, in one sense, EVERY book is educational because it teaches or shows 
you something you didn't know before. But that doesn't help here, making 
every book "educational," so we can throw that definition out.

It's difficult to know where to draw the line between educational and 
non-educational. We've been discussing what an "educational" book consists 
of, since we got the grant 2 years ago, and going round and round and round 
about it. Now that the Feds have signed off on the definition, we're going 
with it. No turning back.

No one has explained the logic of why genre fiction counts and romance 
doesn't count to me, but maybe it's because most romances are very 
formulaic, whereas there's a great variety of plots and situations in the 
other genre categories. There are several romances that I've said were 
educational, and of course all of Jane Austen's works are educational and 
quite romantic. So there are exceptions to the rule.

Now the librarian has been tasked with coming up with a definition of a 
"textbook". Here we go, round and round again! Whee!


From: Melissa Smith <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 4:33:30 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?

I completely agree here, Roger. Yes, I am a romance fan, though I read most 
of my romance from NLS, and my nonfiction from bookshare. Not really sure 
why, but that's the way it is. Anyway, if thrillers, science fiction, etc 
count why not romance. Romance is no more fictionalized than any of these, 
and depending on the book, no more adult than any of these.


Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I know that this sounds like an indignant question from a romance fan, but 
> I am not a romance fan. I am just a little stunned and surprised. If 
> thrillers, horror, mystery and science fiction are considered educational 
> then what the blue blazes is wrong with romance?
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> Hi gang,
> A volunteer asked which books qualify for the grant, so I thought maybe 
> there are others who don't know about this either. This is a quick email 
> to the
> group, so everyone knows which books count.
> To explain this by what's excluded, all books qualify, except romances, 
> books that are adult content, and books that proselytize religion. Factual 
> books
> about religion are fine, since they explain what it's about, but books 
> that push agendas at you do not qualify. It doesn't matter where the book 
> comes
> from - volunteers, outsourcers, publishers, or anywhere else.
> To explain this by what's included, all kiddie books (including teen 
> romances) are okay, most non-fiction is okay, "good" literature is okay, 
> and finally,
> at long last, a decision was made, and it was decided that genre fiction 
> is okay. So books that are mysteries, thrillers, Westerns, historical 
> fiction,
> science fiction, fantasies, and horror are okay too. But the minute you 
> add romance to any of the adult genre fiction books, the book doesn't 
> count towards
> the grant.
> Of course, there will always be edge cases. We look at those books on a 
> case-by-case basis, and sometimes ask the Bookshare librarian for a 
> decision.
> I would encourage those people who are scanning and proofing romances to 
> continue to do so. We at the office can't put any in, since all of our 
> time has
> to go towards fulfilling the grant. But there are lots and lots of people 
> who like romance and want to see more of it in the collection. Please 
> continue
> to put romances in! The Bookshare publisher liaison mentioned that while 
> most of the book markets dropped when the economy dropped, the romance 
> market
> is continuing to climb. So there you are.
> HTH, Carrie
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