[bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:21:44 -0700 (PDT)
The historical romances, or the romances set in a different time and place are
definitely educational. I've learned about customs and historical facts (even
if I don't always remember them) from reading the various romances set in
Edwardian England and in England during eh Napoleonic wars, whether they are
about real people, like Desiree or fictional people but set in istoricallt
accurate time and palce. smile
Cindy
Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned
list available at sites below
Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
Books Being Scanned List:
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Carrie Karnos <ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Carrie Karnos <ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 10:47 PM
> Any
> book written for children or teenagers is considered
> "educational". We can all point to various
> children's books that really aren't educational, but
> the whole point of defining "educational" is to
> avoid having to look at each book that's in the
> collection and pass judgment on it. Better to say if a book
> is in such-and-such category, then it is (or isn't)
> educational.
> Carrie
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> You said teen romance books were
> okay, so I just do not
> get it either.
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> From: Carrie Karnos
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:13 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count
> toward the
> grant?
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> Well, in one sense, EVERY book is educational because
> it teaches or shows
> you something you didn't know before. But that
> doesn't help here, making every
> book "educational," so we can throw that
> definition out.
>
> It's difficult
> to know where to draw the line between educational and
> non-educational. We've
> been discussing what an "educational" book
> consists of, since we got the grant 2
> years ago, and going round and round and round about it.
> Now that the Feds have
> signed off on the definition, we're going with it. No
> turning back.
>
> No
> one has explained the logic of why genre fiction counts and
> romance doesn't
> count to me, but maybe it's because most romances are
> very formulaic, whereas
> there's a great variety of plots and situations in the
> other genre categories.
> There are several romances that I've said were
> educational, and of course all of
> Jane Austen's works are educational and quite romantic.
> So there are exceptions
> to the rule.
>
> Now the librarian has been tasked with coming up with a
> definition of a "textbook". Here we go, round and
> round again!
> Whee!
>
> Carrie
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> From: Melissa
> Smith
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> To:
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> October 27, 2009 4:33:30
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> Subject:
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> I completely agree here,
> Roger. Yes, I am a romance fan, though I read most of my
> romance from NLS, and
> my nonfiction from bookshare. Not really sure why, but
> that's the way it is.
> Anyway, if thrillers, science fiction, etc count why not
> romance. Romance is no
> more fictionalized than any of these, and depending on the
> book, no more adult
> than any of these.
>
> Melissa
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> Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
> wrote:
> >
> I know that this sounds like an indignant question from a
> romance fan, but I am
> not a romance fan. I am just a little stunned and
> surprised. If thrillers,
> horror, mystery and science fiction are considered
> educational then what the
> blue blazes is wrong with romance?
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> From: ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx
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> > Hi gang,
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> >
> A volunteer asked which books qualify for the grant, so I
> thought maybe there
> are others who don't know about this either. This is a
> quick email to
> the
> > group, so everyone knows which books count.
> >
> > To
> explain this by what's excluded, all books qualify,
> except romances, books that
> are adult content, and books that proselytize religion.
> Factual books
> >
> about religion are fine, since they explain what it's
> about, but books that push
> agendas at you do not qualify. It doesn't matter where
> the book comes
> >
> from - volunteers, outsourcers, publishers, or anywhere
> else.
> >
> >
> To explain this by what's included, all kiddie books
> (including teen romances)
> are okay, most non-fiction is okay, "good"
> literature is okay, and
> finally,
> > at long last, a decision was made, and it was decided
> that
> genre fiction is okay. So books that are mysteries,
> thrillers, Westerns,
> historical fiction,
> > science fiction, fantasies, and horror are okay too.
> But the minute you add romance to any of the adult genre
> fiction books, the book
> doesn't count towards
> > the grant.
> >
> > Of course, there will
> always be edge cases. We look at those books on a
> case-by-case basis, and
> sometimes ask the Bookshare librarian for a decision.
> >
> > I would
> encourage those people who are scanning and proofing
> romances to continue to do
> so. We at the office can't put any in, since all of our
> time has
> > to go
> towards fulfilling the grant. But there are lots and lots
> of people who like
> romance and want to see more of it in the collection.
> Please continue
> > to
> put romances in! The Bookshare publisher liaison mentioned
> that while most of
> the book markets dropped when the economy dropped, the
> romance market
> > is
> continuing to climb. So there you are.
> >
> > HTH, Carrie
> >
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