[bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?

  • From: Carrie Karnos <ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:47:42 -0700 (PDT)

Any book written for children or teenagers is considered "educational". We can 
all point to various children's books that really aren't educational, but the 
whole point of defining "educational" is to avoid having to look at each book 
that's in the collection and pass judgment on it. Better to say if a book is in 
such-and-such category, then it is (or isn't) educational. 

From: siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 9:42:11 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?

You said teen romance books were okay, so I just do not 
get it either.
Sue S.
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From: Carrie Karnos 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the 

Well, in one sense, EVERY book is educational because it teaches or shows 
you something you didn't know before. But that doesn't help here, making every 
book "educational," so we can throw that definition out.

It's difficult 
to know where to draw the line between educational and non-educational. We've 
been discussing what an "educational" book consists of, since we got the grant 
years ago, and going round and round and round about it. Now that the Feds have 
signed off on the definition, we're going with it. No turning back.

one has explained the logic of why genre fiction counts and romance doesn't 
count to me, but maybe it's because most romances are very formulaic, whereas 
there's a great variety of plots and situations in the other genre categories. 
There are several romances that I've said were educational, and of course all 
Jane Austen's works are educational and quite romantic. So there are exceptions 
to the rule.

Now the librarian has been tasked with coming up with a 
definition of a "textbook". Here we go, round and round again! 


 From: Melissa Smith 
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 4:33:30 
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] 
Re: Which books count toward the grant?

I completely agree here, 
Roger. Yes, I am a romance fan, though I read most of my romance from NLS, and 
my nonfiction from bookshare. Not really sure why, but that's the way it is. 
Anyway, if thrillers, science fiction, etc count why not romance. Romance is no 
more fictionalized than any of these, and depending on the book, no more adult 
than any of these.


Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:
I know that this sounds like an indignant question from a romance fan, but I am 
not a romance fan. I am just a little stunned and surprised. If thrillers, 
horror, mystery and science fiction are considered educational then what the 
blue blazes is wrong with romance?
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Date: 10/27/2009 7:01:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time  From: ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx  
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> Hi gang,
A volunteer asked which books qualify for the grant, so I thought maybe there 
are others who don't know about this either. This is a quick email to 
> group, so everyone knows which books count.
> To 
explain this by what's excluded, all books qualify, except romances, books that 
are adult content, and books that proselytize religion. Factual books
about religion are fine, since they explain what it's about, but books that 
agendas at you do not qualify. It doesn't matter where the book comes
from - volunteers, outsourcers, publishers, or anywhere else.
To explain this by what's included, all kiddie books (including teen romances) 
are okay, most non-fiction is okay, "good" literature is okay, and 
> at long last, a decision was made, and it was decided that 
genre fiction is okay. So books that are mysteries, thrillers, Westerns, 
historical fiction,
> science fiction, fantasies, and horror are okay too. 
But the minute you add romance to any of the adult genre fiction books, the 
doesn't count towards
> the grant.
> Of course, there will 
always be edge cases. We look at those books on a case-by-case basis, and 
sometimes ask the Bookshare librarian for a decision.
> I would 
encourage those people who are scanning and proofing romances to continue to do 
so. We at the office can't put any in, since all of our time has
> to go 
towards fulfilling the grant. But there are lots and lots of people who like 
romance and want to see more of it in the collection. Please continue
> to 
put romances in! The Bookshare publisher liaison mentioned that while most of 
the book markets dropped when the economy dropped, the romance market
> is 
continuing to climb. So there you are.
> HTH, Carrie
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