[bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?

  • From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:04:51 -0700

Carrie,  I have always heard that there are no dumb questions, but I fear I may 
be asking one now.

How is the work of volunteers affected by what categories count under the 
grant?  Is there a difference if I submit an adult romance or an "educational" 
book?

Lori C.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carrie Karnos 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:47 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?


  Any book written for children or teenagers is considered "educational". We 
can all point to various children's books that really aren't educational, but 
the whole point of defining "educational" is to avoid having to look at each 
book that's in the collection and pass judgment on it. Better to say if a book 
is in such-and-such category, then it is (or isn't) educational. 
  Carrie




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  From: siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 9:42:11 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?



  You said teen romance books were okay, so I just do not get it either.

  Sue S.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carrie Karnos 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:13 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?


  Well, in one sense, EVERY book is educational because it teaches or shows you 
something you didn't know before. But that doesn't help here, making every book 
"educational," so we can throw that definition out.

  It's difficult to know where to draw the line between educational and 
non-educational. We've been discussing what an "educational" book consists of, 
since we got the grant 2 years ago, and going round and round and round about 
it. Now that the Feds have signed off on the definition, we're going with it. 
No turning back.

  No one has explained the logic of why genre fiction counts and romance 
doesn't count to me, but maybe it's because most romances are very formulaic, 
whereas there's a great variety of plots and situations in the other genre 
categories. There are several romances that I've said were educational, and of 
course all of Jane Austen's works are educational and quite romantic. So there 
are exceptions to the rule.

  Now the librarian has been tasked with coming up with a definition of a 
"textbook". Here we go, round and round again! Whee!

  Carrie




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  From: Melissa Smith <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 4:33:30 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Which books count toward the grant?

  I completely agree here, Roger. Yes, I am a romance fan, though I read most 
of my romance from NLS, and my nonfiction from bookshare. Not really sure why, 
but that's the way it is. Anyway, if thrillers, science fiction, etc count why 
not romance. Romance is no more fictionalized than any of these, and depending 
on the book, no more adult than any of these.

  Melissa



  Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:
  > I know that this sounds like an indignant question from a romance fan, but 
I am not a romance fan. I am just a little stunned and surprised. If thrillers, 
horror, mystery and science fiction are considered educational then what the 
blue blazes is wrong with romance?
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10/27/2009 7:01:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time  From: ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx  Reply-to: 
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  > Hi gang,
  > 
  > A volunteer asked which books qualify for the grant, so I thought maybe 
there are others who don't know about this either. This is a quick email to the
  > group, so everyone knows which books count.
  > 
  > To explain this by what's excluded, all books qualify, except romances, 
books that are adult content, and books that proselytize religion. Factual books
  > about religion are fine, since they explain what it's about, but books that 
push agendas at you do not qualify. It doesn't matter where the book comes
  > from - volunteers, outsourcers, publishers, or anywhere else.
  > 
  > To explain this by what's included, all kiddie books (including teen 
romances) are okay, most non-fiction is okay, "good" literature is okay, and 
finally,
  > at long last, a decision was made, and it was decided that genre fiction is 
okay. So books that are mysteries, thrillers, Westerns, historical fiction,
  > science fiction, fantasies, and horror are okay too. But the minute you add 
romance to any of the adult genre fiction books, the book doesn't count towards
  > the grant.
  > 
  > Of course, there will always be edge cases. We look at those books on a 
case-by-case basis, and sometimes ask the Bookshare librarian for a decision.
  > 
  > I would encourage those people who are scanning and proofing romances to 
continue to do so. We at the office can't put any in, since all of our time has
  > to go towards fulfilling the grant. But there are lots and lots of people 
who like romance and want to see more of it in the collection. Please continue
  > to put romances in! The Bookshare publisher liaison mentioned that while 
most of the book markets dropped when the economy dropped, the romance market
  > is continuing to climb. So there you are.
  > 
  > HTH, Carrie
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