You haven't seen 'inefficient' until you've seen the 'lazy giants' in the mining industry. And in addition to the inefficiencies, you have companies like BHP who don't even run their own mines, preferring instead to put profit-making enterprises between themselves and their product. BHP are so inept at managing these companies who are busy cutting corners to make profits, that their mines have one of the worst records for workplace deaths in the country. I think it's something like eight of the last ten deaths have been on BHP mines. I know a fencing contractor who figured out that there were 10 layers of profit-makers when he did some fencing work for a new mine (I think it was Rio Tinto's). Imagine 15-20% mark-up for each profit maker when passing the bill upwards. Even at 15%, they paid 3 times the cost. There was a good 4 Corners a few years ago with a concreting contractor whinging about having to do non-minesite work in Port Hedland 'cos for work in town he got $6k and the same work on the mine he got $50k. This is obviously the reason the big mining companies have their huge procurement departments who honestly believe they saved the company money because they negotiated the contractors down from $60k or $70k. I edited docs in 2006 stating 'Coloured River' was paying $114/hr for people to count stock. Plus, the company paid all the accommodation, meals and transport costs for the workers. Notice, I didn't say that was how much the people received. There was at least one profit-making enterprise in the middle. Don't start me about the folk the mining companies pay huge sums to review our documents when I get comments like today's "You left out these 3 pages of drawings" when the given list is complete and the three pages referred to aren't even for the same machine/manual, and "insert photo of machine in-situ" when the machine is still in China (and we have a written agreement that the photo is not required)... Or 200 page documents being rejected 'cos on the fourth review someone deicdes they no longer like the term "brake liner" and want it changed to "brake pad" for a sum total of one change (and it wasn't to match other references; the term was used once). I'm led to believe half the things they're now requesting be changed are things they wanted in the first place. The problem we have with utilities being privatised is less about the monopoly environment (though, that has a large role) and more about the supply and demand curve. They know that if they increase supply with the demand remaining the same, the price goes down. So it's in their interests to restrict supply, and this is why there are so often problems with systems failing, as with water in the UK, power in the US, NZ and Australia... And that's why such services cannot be privatised without concomitant strong government regulation & control - which sort of defeats the purpose of privatisation. Terry From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Nebauer Sent: Friday, 20 August 2010 10:44 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: National Broadband Network and empathy Hi Geoffrey, Interesting thoughts on private/public sectors Geoffrey but I'm still inclined to think that the private sector is at least subject to the laws of evolution - it's all about survival of the fittest. This is what should keep the private sector lean and mean. If private enterprises are getting sluggish then something is wrong - they are not operating in the real world, probably because of monopoly-type environments and I think electricity, transport and water suppliers could fit into this category. There is no such dynamic in the public sector which makes me surprised to hear your observations - surely you have also seen a lot of sloth in the hidden recesses of government departments?