Hi Graeme, Thanks for your reply. I've made some changes to my description (highlighted within <<>>) to reflect your corrections with a couple of additions of my own. ============================================================================ This note only describes the effect of the -g flag in colprof for a Perceptual mapping only . however it can also be used for a Saturation mapping. The -g flag only affects the Perceptual B2A table (in order for this to be generated by colprof, the -s flag is also required). -g uses a gamut file which is produced either from tiffgamut (from a set of images), or iccgamut (from an icc profile). <<There is no advantage to using an icc profile gamut with -g as this can be better specified with the -s flag and no -g flag.>> I'll refer to this gamut as the Custom Gamut, or CG. If -g is not used, the Perceptual mapping is from the gamut of the source profile (which I will call SG) to the gamut of the destination profile (which I'll call DG). The B2A0 table, which is responsible for the Perceptual mapping, effectively 'squeezes' the whole of SG into DG. All of the colors that were present in SG will be remapped to new colors in DG, even if none of the colors in SG were outside of the DG gamut (the effect of the 'squeeze'). <<Where SG is smaller than DG, the boundary colors are not shifted. >><<If there are image colors outside SG, they will be clipped to the DG boundary.>> <<The -g flag effectively replaces SG by CG (with the white and black points coming from SG), so that the mapping now effectively 'squeezes' CG into DG.>> <<The effect is a Perceptual mapping that is less drastic than the full SG to DG mapping (which can result in desaturation of the more saturated colors, for example, because they are shifted to inside the DG gamut if SG is larger than the image gamut). The problem with it is that if the image contains colors that are outside CG, these colors will be clipped to DG, and so the perceptual relationship will no longer be fully maintained. For this reason, profiles using -g should only be used when the image gamut is known to be inside of CG: this can only be guaranteed if the image is part of the set of images used in tiffgamut to make CG. With caution, the profile could be used for an image that was not used to created CG, IF it is known, within reason, that its gamut is approximately within CG.>> The reason for this sort of approach is to attempt to reduce the desaturation that can be the result of a Perceptual mapping from a large color space to a smaller one. (It is also applicable to Saturation mappings). <<If the image gamut is not known to be within CG and we do not wish to produce a new profile . but we wish to soften the full SG to DG squeeze, an alternative strategy to using the -g flag is to do a Relative Colorimetric mapping to an intermediate-sized gamut (for example from ProPhoto to Adobe RGB), followed by a Perceptual mapping to DG.>> =========================================================================== Am I nearer the mark this time? As a slight aside, how are profiles which have no source profile specified usually made, do you know (for example by i1Profiler)? Must they assume some intermediate gamut like Beta RGB (smaller than ProPhoto but larger than AdobeRGB), or is there some alternative algorithm that doesn't require the source profile? Many thanks, Robert