Hi Ray > But at least I ffound out that you can indeed have a separate number for > cash point use to the one you use for chip and pin when purchasing goods. That maybe true for your bank but it's very very unusual and makes no sense either. A pin that's used for chip and PINm is same PIN for the ATM. Why would anyone want to have a different PIN? And if you change a PIN at the ATM, how would the system know you want to change ATM PIN, or chip and PIN change? Could you please clarify, are you saying you have 2 cards, one you use for chip and PIN, and one for the ATM. or are you saying you have one card with 2 separate PINS for that 1 card. If you have 2 cards for same account, then either card's PIN will work for both ATM and chip and PIN. Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq