[access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
- From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:41:44 +0100
Hi, my issue is not a personal one, it's about people in general complaining
that organisations don't do anything but being unwilling to join and use the
propper channels to get things done. This list isn't the best place to talk
about co-ordinating campaigns because we have no formal links to anybody. This
list is a fantastic resource for asking and finding things out, but there are
other places to get things done.
Cheers
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Beasley
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:39 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
If you have got issues between yourselves please settle it off list.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Taylor
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
Well, this isn't the channel to do it, there's the BCAB list and the AGM
and so on. This is an informal list. And frankly my comment is that you seem to
expect everybody to do everything for you which is never the case. If BCAB are
asked to do something sometime, their board will discuss it, and if you're a
member, you'll know I'm not on that! And frankly, I'm not your slave and
wouldn't do anything for you if you demand like that! Why pick on me to do it
when there are propper ways?
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Fowler
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: info@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
OK, I am asking you to co ordinate the campaign, I am a member so I
expect you to retract your inpolite comment forthwith
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Taylor
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
Hi, As I said, an attempt was made on the radio list to get people to
use BCAB to co-ordinate this, but nobody did, so BCAB hasn't been asked to do
anything by its members. Frankly, if we don't support organisations, we can't
expect them to do anything. Organisations incur expenses and need people to
join, and one of the many benefits of joining is support on campaigns like
this, but nobody can be bothered any more, so organisations don't have the
clout they need to demonstrate numbers. You have choices, either participate
and get things done, do it yourself as an isolated individual, or shut up and
stop moaning. Organisations just don't magically do what you want, they do as
their members vote, much more accountable, so if you want anyy help, you know
what to do, join and raise it!
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Fowler
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
Hi Ray,
You're absolutely right there. Where the difference here is though,
is the simple fact that the BBC is a public authority, this development and the
subsequent introduction of new applications is paid for by us as licence payers!
The BBC have a statutory obligation to comply with their due regard
for the equality of opportunity for disabled people, and I player as an
application as it has been introduced and currently is available does not
demonstrate that the BBC has in anyway complied with this.
Now, if the BBC who have a statutory obligation to comply with
legislation and don't bother, what message does that send out to application
developers working in the private sector?
This is a golden opportunity for those people disadvantaged by
inaccessible applications to make a statement. We are not prepared to put up
with this discriminatory behaviour any longer!
So who's going to support this? individuals? the BCAB? the BCS?
----- Original Message -----
From: Rays Home
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
Well Colin, yu've managed to find something at BCAB! I've just
searched through this month's archive and didn't encounter anything about the
new IPlayer.
There is of course no defence of the IPlayer as it stands but so
many large companies just never ever seem to integrate accessability into the
design of software and websites. It always seems to be that occasionally
something gets done, and then the issue is forgotten about and hasn't made its
way into general practice of developer teams.
I've no idea wether Ulie Schiller is VI or not; most likely not
even though there are VI software writers in the mainstream if very rarely.
Cheers,
Ray.
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Fowler
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer
Hmmmmmm, and is Julie Shiller a screen reader user? Not another
sighted person that uses a screen reader from a sighted
persons perspective of testing applications?
Eric Hugger is the head of future media and technology and Andrea
Kalander the head of diversity, I think that we should be petitioning people
with that seniority for improvements, after all they are answerable for any
infringements to accessibility and equality.
I've viewed the BCAB archive on the I Player thread, and apart
from one message that demonstrated just what and how systemic the problem at
the BBC is, there didn't seem to be anything of any more interest.
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