Well Colin, yu've managed to find something at BCAB! I've just searched through this month's archive and didn't encounter anything about the new IPlayer. There is of course no defence of the IPlayer as it stands but so many large companies just never ever seem to integrate accessability into the design of software and websites. It always seems to be that occasionally something gets done, and then the issue is forgotten about and hasn't made its way into general practice of developer teams. I've no idea wether Ulie Schiller is VI or not; most likely not even though there are VI software writers in the mainstream if very rarely. Cheers, Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Fowler Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer Hmmmmmm, and is Julie Shiller a screen reader user? Not another sighted person that uses a screen reader from a sighted persons perspective of testing applications? Eric Hugger is the head of future media and technology and Andrea Kalander the head of diversity, I think that we should be petitioning people with that seniority for improvements, after all they are answerable for any infringements to accessibility and equality. I've viewed the BCAB archive on the I Player thread, and apart from one message that demonstrated just what and how systemic the problem at the BBC is, there didn't seem to be anything of any more interest.