[windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation?
- From: "Nick Smith" <nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:44:15 +0100
Yes, we do the "intern" thing (Except we're British so we call it
Apprenticeship). We hire people with some IT skills, help them through
their exams (Financially, and with time and training), and then...watch
them go and get a huge paycheck at a competitor, or set up on their own.
<Sigh>
(Lost another one yesterday, and feelign slightly bitter)
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles R. Buchanan [mailto:crbgfblab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 23 July 2004 23:00
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation?
I know this will probably not come out right, but here goes! :-) While
I do understand the "emotions" behind the why I had to bust my butt for
this "piece of paper" and someone else slides right in that doesn't have
the "proper" piece of paper. I don't recall seeing just how much "real"
experience this person in question has, but sometimes I feel that in
some cases (not all) that those "pieces of paper" isn't all that it's
cracked up to be. For instance, going back to my active duty days, they
use to have this saying about pilots (Navy). I believe it to be true
that, "It takes a college degree to fly one (plane), but it takes a high
school education to fix it!" :-)
So to require so many years of experience might be fine and dandy, but a
lot of employers won't hire you unless you HAVE that piece of paper, no
matter what experience you might have, and of course that's not in ALL
situations. So imo, unless this guy bent the truth to illegally gain
financial advantages or whatever that legal term is, and if he's totally
incapable of doing the job he was hired for, and last but not least, if
you don't have any control over whose hired and/or fired, then I guess
the next best thing is to vent here! :-)
One last thing, I think/feel maybe a company that is maybe looking at
someone for a long term might think about having an intern type
situation, letting the person learn in the real world, and that will
help greatly toward passing the test. However, what are the odds of that
happening these days? I don't know if some companies do that. Do they?
Just my forty pesos worth! :-)
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:22 -0400, "Jonathan Jesse" <jjesse@xxxxxxxx>
had this to say:
JJ> Before I started working at the bank, the "computer department" was
JJ> a full-time consultant. (It's a somewhat small community bank, that
JJ> is
JJ> growing) He was one of those Paper Cert guys. He had a Citrix
JJ> certification so he talked management into installing Citrix all
JJ> over the place, it was never setup, just put in place and that was
JJ> the end of it. In the two years I have spent here at the bank, it
JJ> seems all I have done is cleaned up his garbage. I hate paper cert
JJ> people as well. I've spent the time and energy and money to learn
JJ> them, and I am quite proud of that fact.
JJ>
JJ> Jonathan Jesse
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage - SP
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