I know this will probably not come out right, but here goes! :-) While I do understand the "emotions" behind the why I had to bust my butt for this "piece of paper" and someone else slides right in that doesn't have the "proper" piece of paper. I don't recall seeing just how much "real" experience this person in question has, but sometimes I feel that in some cases (not all) that those "pieces of paper" isn't all that it's cracked up to be. For instance, going back to my active duty days, they use to have this saying about pilots (Navy). I believe it to be true that, "It takes a college degree to fly one (plane), but it takes a high school education to fix it!" :-) So to require so many years of experience might be fine and dandy, but a lot of employers won't hire you unless you HAVE that piece of paper, no matter what experience you might have, and of course that's not in ALL situations. So imo, unless this guy bent the truth to illegally gain financial advantages or whatever that legal term is, and if he's totally incapable of doing the job he was hired for, and last but not least, if you don't have any control over whose hired and/or fired, then I guess the next best thing is to vent here! :-) One last thing, I think/feel maybe a company that is maybe looking at someone for a long term might think about having an intern type situation, letting the person learn in the real world, and that will help greatly toward passing the test. However, what are the odds of that happening these days? I don't know if some companies do that. Do they? Just my forty pesos worth! :-) On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:22 -0400, "Jonathan Jesse" <jjesse@xxxxxxxx> had this to say: JJ> Before I started working at the bank, the "computer department" was a JJ> full-time consultant. (It's a somewhat small community bank, that is JJ> growing) He was one of those Paper Cert guys. He had a Citrix JJ> certification so he talked management into installing Citrix all over JJ> the place, it was never setup, just put in place and that was the end of JJ> it. In the two years I have spent here at the bank, it seems all I have JJ> done is cleaned up his garbage. I hate paper cert people as well. I've JJ> spent the time and energy and money to learn them, and I am quite proud JJ> of that fact. JJ> JJ> Jonathan Jesse Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage - SP ******************************************************** This Weeks Sponsor StressedPuppy.com Games Feeling stressed out? Check out our games to relieve your stress. http://www.StressedPuppy.com ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm