I call em Paper Boys. As in... they couldn't troubleshoot their way out of a paper bag. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Malczewski [mailto:jmalczewski@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 1:32 PM To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation? Funny you should mention that cartoon.. IIRC it was in the back of MCP Magazine, or maybe it was Network World.. But I sent a copy of that very same cartoon to this tech in question a number of years ago.. He didn't find it funny.. LMAO!! -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 1:05 PM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation? Can't find a copy of it on the web, but here's the text of my personal favorite Dilbert cartoon of all time . . . . Dilbert is at a computer that has a problem, and suddenly a guy in a cape comes up to him and says "Step away from that network server, I am certified!". The guy steps up to the server and yells "I SUMMON THE VAST POWERS OF CERTIFICATION"... Dilbert looks at him and guy continues: "Funny, that's all I remember from the certification class" :) I've run into a few folks like this over the years. A few years back now, we had hired a new tech that seemded to have his certs in order, and sent him to install a network printer at a small client site . . A single TCP/IP enabled printer. I'm still not sure what he did in the 2 hours he was onsite, but it took 2 of our senior engineers 2 full days to get the site back up and working again. Just thinking about it still makes me cringe. . . J -----Original Message----- From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Reese Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:23 AM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation? Trust me Jeff, I can understand why you are bent about it. I would be too. I am not an MCSE or even an MCP. Heck, I may not even be a Citrix CCA anymore. There are a lot of paper MCSE's out there and if I was a real MCSE, I would be pissed as hell because there has been a lot of backlash out there against you guys because of it. Greg -----Original Message----- From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Malczewski Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:45 AM To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation? That was my thoughts on the legal aspect.. No, they wouldn't put them in "certification jail" as Greg said, but I'm sure there is something somewhere in the Microsoft certification package about upholding a code of ethics and not misrepresenting yourself, etc etc... As for providing his transcript, *I* have seen it. The problem is, he won't show it to anyone else, including his supervisor, who also doesn't seem to care about the matter... He has an MCP+i certificate on his wall, so the un-knowing supervisor automatically thinks that since he has an MCSE and this other one says MCP+i that it's ok to put the two together, even though he's legally two tests and a few hundred thousand brain cells short of the real cert... IMHO he shouldn't have the MCSE either, since it was a boot-camp MCSE and he didn't retain anything from it... And Greg- I know this is the sort of thing that gives the rest of us a bad name. I have worked hard, studied, gotten TONS of hands on, and done everything that needs to be done to ensure that I actually KNOW the material that piece of paper says I know. Why do you think I'm bent about this id10t?? -----Original Message----- From: Braebaum, Neil [mailto:Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 10:03 AM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation? > Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation? > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:40:35 -0400 > From: "Greg Reese" <GReese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Not legal? What are they going to do? Put the person in > certification jail? Um, it could be fraud. Certainly in the UK, if it was used to get a job, or attempt to, it could be viewed as fraudulently obtaining a pecunary advantage. > It's the same as lying on a resume. Unethical and shady but not > necessarily punishable by law. Not necessarily - true, but it could be, depending on how it's used. 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