[windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation?
- From: Jennifer Hooper <jennifer.hooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:42:51 -0700
It would be really nice if they did compensate based on certification too.
But they don't. They just require you to have it or they won't talk to you.
:( There are those that will at least give you a chance, but they are few
and far between.
Jen
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Malczewski [mailto:jmalczewski@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:45 AM
To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation?
I agree, it's not an easy thing to do, and that's why it really upsets me
when the paper guys begin to crop up again. I work very hard at my job, and
I spend even more time outside of it studying. Mind you, the last test I
took was December of 2001 (70-240 -- the 4 1/2 hour upgrade from NT4 to
2000), but it's still tough. I'm getting ready to go and take 70-219 now
(AD Design) which will finally upgrade my MCSE to 2000, and then it's off to
study for two more Exchange 2000 tests to get the Messaging Specialization,
and then if the proposed MCSE changes go through, I need to upgrade my MCSE
to 2003 or lose my premier status with them (there will be three different
levels of MCSE if the changes are put in place). So, there's another two
exams.
All in all, I'm looking at at LEAST 70-219 and 70-224 and 70-225 (both
Exchange 2000) by the end of the year.. Then after that it's 70-292 and
70-296 to upgrade to 2003 MCSE, and then if I want to retain my messaging
specialization, 70-284 and 70-285 (Exchange 2003).
No one EVER said it was easy to be a real MCSE, which is why the real ones
get some respect and decent salaries. I think that part of it falls in the
laps of the hiring managers, who don't screen applicants well enough to be
able to tell if they're paper or real. Most jobs I've interviewed for
recently were all MCSE PLUS a minimum of 5 years experience, as opposed to
just an MCSE... That helps.
That'll be a good thing if MS puts the new MCSE program into place.. The
"Master MCSEs" will only get that title if their certs are current (2003 at
the moment) AND they have 5 years or more of experience. "Senior MCSEs"
will be current certs (2003 again) and at least 3 years experience, while
all the rest (anyone not certified on 2003, regardless of experience, and
those with less than 3 years experience) will just be "MCSEs". Presently,
this is the category I fall into, hence my self-motivation at updating my
certs...
-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Hooper [mailto:jennifer.hooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:34 PM
To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: Certification misrepresentation?
Can I ask a really dumb question?? If this is the case, and there are so
many 'paper' MCSE's (I remember when that was a major deal with CNE's too),
then WHY on earth do so many companies demand that people have them even to
get an interview?? You can't get in the door, let alone a chance to
demonstrate your knowledge. I fight against this *every* time I send a
resume, because though I have 13 years of experience, and several training
courses, I do not have the papers to back me. It really SUCKS. Especially
when you get wheezed out of a job by some kid who just finished a six week
course at MicroSkills or Laptop Training Solutions who was frying hamburgers
a month ago and doesn't even speak Spanglish. BUT, they are an MCSE. Even
with all my school and experience, I was out of work for five months last
year, because I didn't have papers. (More power to those who are driven
enough to take those courses and actually SPEND the time and energy to KNOW
the material rather than those that just learn to pass the exams!!) Besides,
I don't know who can keep up with all the exams to take the certifications
and maintain a Senior-level position... I find myself so swamped
continuously, that I never have time to study or get down to Vortex to test.
It's so bad, they are bringing trainers on site rather than letting us go
down the valley to a school. At least there's that much.
(sorry for the rant)
Thanks,
Jennifer
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