[windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

  • From: Greg Reese <gareese@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:30:40 -0500

Remove every account he uses. Once his friends start losing their accounts, they will stop sharing them with him.




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On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:27 AM, "Sorin Srbu" <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You can never win this, with less than banning this kid totally, remove his account etc. Even then, he'll use somebody else's account instead. If he won't take the hint, I don't know what else you *can* do. Had the parents and police been informed? If that's what it takes... 8-/

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/Sorin

-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:18 PM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

Thanks guys. This is such a major issue, even after the little brat has been warned, he got onto the next computer and started again. Taking up our time monitoring him, we know that even with restrictions on his account he has access to other students accounts. We have decided to lockdown his account to only the time he has ICT related lessons which is 6 time a week for about 1 hr. Even with that he is spending
time trying to get in. Anyway tha ballte continues.

Thanks

Patrick


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From: Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:42:00 PM
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

Sorin,

My experience has been similiar with that age group ;-) however, that's not what I'm
referring to.

Most of these young wiz kids/hackers have already figured out how to network computers. I don't think you could give them a "playground" that would satisfy their curiosity as to how "real" networks run. And their desire to access information they
have no right to access.

I'm interested in networks, too. That doesn't mean I can hack my way around my
employer's network. Not if I want to keep my job.

Richard

From: sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:05:27 +0200

I guess a nudge in the "proper" direction is all you can do. The rest is up to them.
8-)

I've worked as a teacher with pupils age 14-16 for about two years at a school. I
haven't met anyone that knows anything about a career plan, much less a pupil that listens to anything a grown-up suggests about something that's years ahead in the future. Their attention-span is minutes ahead of the moment, if that. I'm generalish I
know, but it's still a rather significant fact. ;-)
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/Sorin


-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:17 AM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

True, but I think the emphasis would be on helping them channel their ability in
the
right direction. What you might find is that these kids have a talent which we can
help
harness, and direct. This might potentially help them with a meaningful career in
the
future. What we tend to see is raw talent, unproductive and mis- directed. This particular kid wants a career in IT, but I am very sure he doesnt know what. This might help him channel his thoughts in the right direction, and be better
informed
when he makes his choice.

But then, I might be wrong, and we might just be dealing with seasoned Hackers.


Thanks

Patrick


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From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:49:23 AM
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

The risk here is that as soon as it's something organized by adults, the chase
loses
its attraction. OTOH, setting up a lab-network and telling them to hack this and
this
computer and find a file containing this particular text, might set them off. Kinda'
like
a treasure hunt. The coin has two sides though, as always. They might use the same techniques to hack you sharp production network, "just to see if it's
possible".
;-)

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/Sorin


-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:17 AM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

He must be about 15/16. Cos there was the talk of him taking his final exams. I
am
begining to notice a trend in all the schools I support. We seem to have about 3
or 4
kids that are good @ things like that. Well these are kids we know, and I am
thinking
of suggesting setting up a special technology group to help them chanel thier gift
constructively.
I might create a mini lab/ network with a dozen old pcs, and get them to play
and
reaaly focusing and directing thier intelligent on good. Not sure how the
principals
would take that, but I sure will suggest this to the IT director.


Patrick


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From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:10:27 AM
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

Nice, and also rather ingenious IMO!

How old kid(s) are we speaking?

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/Sorin


-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:12 PM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

ok guys, after some serious talking to, the kid has decided to let us in on some
of
his
tricks.



1. Download zip files allows him to get to the C: drive by being able to access
the
Temp Internet files.

2. If he disconnects the computer from the network, it installs a local profile for
him, giving him access to the C: drive and the “Run” command.

3. He runs a “compressed” cmd file from within PowerPoint.

4. By running “Find Printer” he is able to find users ac counts.

5. He accesses “command.com <http://command.com/>
<http://command.com/>
<http://command.com/> ” (the equivalent of
cmd.exe).

6. He runs cmd.exe to get to files on the servers.



Should this kid not be studying, rather than keeping me busy?


Anyway, just thought to share.



Thanks

Patrick


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From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:54:33 PM
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

Yes I understand kids will be kids but it covers you.
Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Hi Jim,

This is an idea I have suggested, and I think there is a good case to push this forward. Whats I have found is that no matter how tight you try to
make
things the kids will seek to break in. In most cases because they do not
understand
what the consequences could be if enforced.

Really annoying.



Thanks

Patrick



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From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms/ <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59:44 PM

Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
suggestions


Well I am not sure about Australia but here we do have computer
hacking laws and a simple "Your current computer activity appears to be
illegal
and
you may be prosecuted if you do not cease and desist" dm to the computer
may
be
enough. You of course also make sure that you have a proper logon privacy
message in place prior to logon that requires an OK click.
Here is ours:

THIS SYSTEM IS FOR USE OF AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND
ACTIVITIES ONLY!
Activities may be subject to monitoring, recording, and periodic audits
The system and all content are property of CCPL and are NOT
considered private.
The organization may access any users accounts or communications.
Anyone using this system expressly consents to the above and to all
CCPL Policies and Rules regarding
computer and Internet use and security.
OK

This should cover you legally at least.
Regards
Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com <http://www.techblink.com/>
<http://www.techblink.com/>
<http://www.techblink.com/>
Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot



On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Berny Stapleton
<berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Yes, it was actually regedit and they were modifying the
SAM.

Quite clever really, but a little frustrating.

2009/3/25 Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
<bcoffman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Scheduled task can run in System context & allow
someone to launch a cmd
prompt or something with basically full control of the
system.

-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Sorin Srbu
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 AM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
network - suggestions

Could you please elaborate on the scheduler thing,
what's that about? Thx.
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/Sorin


-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:windows2000-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:38 PM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
network - suggestions

Oh, turn off the scheduler. Keep your patches up to
date. (That's the
one that caught me)


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