[windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

  • From: Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:17:18 -0700 (PDT)

True, but I think the emphasis would be on helping them channel their ability 
in the right direction. What you might find is that these kids have a talent 
which we can help harness, and direct. This might potentially help them with a 
meaningful career in the future. What we tend to see is raw talent, 
unproductive and mis-directed.
This particular kid wants a career in IT, but I am very sure he doesnt know 
what. This might help him channel his thoughts in the right direction, and be 
better informed when he makes his choice.

But then, I might be wrong, and we might just be dealing with seasoned Hackers.


Thanks

Patrick




________________________________
From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:49:23 AM
Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions

The risk here is that as soon as it's something organized by adults, the chase 
loses its attraction. OTOH, setting up a lab-network and telling them to hack 
this and this computer and find a file containing this particular text, might 
set them off. Kinda' like a treasure hunt. The coin has two sides though, as 
always. They might use the same techniques to hack you sharp production 
network, "just to see if it's possible". ;-)

-- 
/Sorin


>-----Original Message-----
>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:17 AM
>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>
>He must be about 15/16. Cos there was the talk of him taking his final exams. 
>I am
>begining to notice a trend in all the schools I support. We seem to have about 
>3 or 4
>kids that are good @ things like that. Well these are kids we know, and I am 
>thinking
>of suggesting setting up a special technology group to help them chanel thier 
>gift
>constructively.
>I might create a mini lab/ network with a dozen old pcs, and get them to play 
>and
>reaaly focusing and directing  thier intelligent on good. Not sure how the 
>principals
>would take that, but I sure will suggest this to the IT director.
>
>
>Patrick
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:10:27 AM
>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>
>Nice, and also rather ingenious IMO!
>
>How old kid(s) are we speaking?
>
>--
>/Sorin
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:12 PM
>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>
>>ok guys, after some serious talking to, the kid has decided to let us in on 
>>some of
>his
>>tricks.
>>
>>
>>
>>1.      Download zip files allows him to get to the C: drive by being able to 
>>access
>the
>>Temp Internet files.
>>
>>2.      If he disconnects the computer from the network, it installs a local 
>>profile for
>>him, giving him access to the C: drive and the “Run” command.
>>
>>3.      He  runs a “compressed” cmd file from within PowerPoint.
>>
>>4.      By running “Find Printer” he is able to find users accounts.
>>
>>5.      He accesses “command.com <http://command.com/> ” (the equivalent of
>cmd.exe).
>>
>>6.      He runs cmd.exe to get to files on the servers.
>>
>>
>>
>>Should this kid not be studying, rather than keeping me busy?
>>
>>
>>Anyway, just thought to share.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Patrick
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:54:33 PM
>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>
>>Yes I understand kids will be kids but it covers you.
>>Jim Kenzig
>>Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>    Hi Jim,
>>
>>    This is an idea I have suggested, and I think there is a good case to
>>push this forward. Whats I have found is that no matter how tight you try to 
>>make
>>things the kids will seek to break in. In most cases because they do not 
>>understand
>>what the consequences could be if enforced.
>>
>>    Really annoying.
>>
>>
>>
>>    Thanks
>>
>>    Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>    From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms/ <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
>>    To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>    Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59:44 PM
>>
>>    Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>suggestions
>>
>>
>>    Well I am not sure about Australia but here we do have computer
>>hacking laws and a simple "Your current computer activity appears to be 
>>illegal and
>>you may be prosecuted if you do not cease and desist" dm to the computer may 
>>be
>>enough.  You of course also make sure that you have a proper logon privacy
>>message in place prior to logon that requires an OK click.
>>    Here is ours:
>>
>>    THIS SYSTEM IS FOR USE OF AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND
>>ACTIVITIES ONLY!
>>    Activities may be subject to monitoring, recording, and periodic audits
>>    The system and all content are property of CCPL and are NOT
>>considered private.
>>    The organization may access any users accounts or communications.
>>    Anyone using this system expressly consents to the above and to all
>>CCPL Policies and Rules regarding
>>    computer and Internet use and security.
>>      OK
>>
>>    This should cover you legally at least.
>>    Regards
>>    Jim Kenzig
>>    Blog: http://www.techblink.com <http://www.techblink.com/>
><http://www.techblink.com/>
>>    Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
>>    Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Berny Stapleton
>><berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>        Yes, it was actually regedit and they were modifying the
>>SAM.
>>
>>        Quite clever really, but a little frustrating.
>>
>>        2009/3/25 Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
>>        <bcoffman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>>        > Scheduled task can run in System context & allow
>>someone to launch a cmd
>>        > prompt or something with basically full control of the
>>system.
>>        >
>>        > -----Original Message-----
>>        > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>        > [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>Of Sorin Srbu
>>        > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 AM
>>        > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>        > Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
>>network - suggestions
>>        >
>>        > Could you please elaborate on the scheduler thing,
>>what's that about? Thx.
>>        > --
>>        > /Sorin
>>        >
>>        >
>>        >>-----Original Message-----
>>        >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:windows2000-
>>        >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
>>        >>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:38 PM
>>        >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>        >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
>>network - suggestions
>>        >>
>>        >>Oh, turn off the scheduler. Keep your patches up to
>>date. (That's the
>>        >>one that caught me)
>>        >
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