[windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
- From: Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:36:54 +0100
I would certainly becoming up on time to take the toy away. A brief
discussion with his parent(s) might be an option too.
2009/3/31 Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> You can never win this, with less than banning this kid totally, remove his
> account etc. Even then, he'll use somebody else's account instead. If he
> won't take the hint, I don't know what else you *can* do. Had the parents and
> police been informed? If that's what it takes... 8-/
>
> --
> /Sorin
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:18 PM
>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>
>>Thanks guys. This is such a major issue, even after the little brat has been
>>warned,
>>he got onto the next computer and started again. Taking up our time
>>monitoring him,
>>we know that even with restrictions on his account he has access to other
>>students
>>accounts. We have decided to lockdown his account to only the time he has ICT
>>related lessons which is 6 time a week for about 1 hr. Even with that he is
>>spending
>>time trying to get in. Anyway tha ballte continues.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Patrick
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: Richard Bruce <richardbruce@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 3:42:00 PM
>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>
>>Sorin,
>>
>>My experience has been similiar with that age group ;-) however, that's not
>>what I'm
>>referring to.
>>
>>Most of these young wiz kids/hackers have already figured out how to network
>>computers. I don't think you could give them a "playground" that would
>>satisfy their
>>curiosity as to how "real" networks run. And their desire to access
>>information they
>>have no right to access.
>>
>>I'm interested in networks, too. That doesn't mean I can hack my way around my
>>employer's network. Not if I want to keep my job.
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>> From: sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:05:27 +0200
>>>
>>> I guess a nudge in the "proper" direction is all you can do. The rest is up
>>> to them.
>>8-)
>>>
>>> I've worked as a teacher with pupils age 14-16 for about two years at a
>>> school. I
>>haven't met anyone that knows anything about a career plan, much less a pupil
>>that
>>listens to anything a grown-up suggests about something that's years ahead in
>>the
>>future. Their attention-span is minutes ahead of the moment, if that. I'm
>>generalish I
>>know, but it's still a rather significant fact. ;-)
>>> --
>>> /Sorin
>>>
>>>
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>> >bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>> >Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:17 AM
>>> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>> >
>>> >True, but I think the emphasis would be on helping them channel their
>>> >ability in
>>the
>>> >right direction. What you might find is that these kids have a talent
>>> >which we can
>>help
>>> >harness, and direct. This might potentially help them with a meaningful
>>> >career in
>>the
>>> >future. What we tend to see is raw talent, unproductive and mis-directed.
>>> >This particular kid wants a career in IT, but I am very sure he doesnt
>>> >know what.
>>> >This might help him channel his thoughts in the right direction, and be
>>> >better
>>informed
>>> >when he makes his choice.
>>> >
>>> >But then, I might be wrong, and we might just be dealing with seasoned
>>> >Hackers.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Thanks
>>> >
>>> >Patrick
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >________________________________
>>> >
>>> >From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:49:23 AM
>>> >Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>> >
>>> >The risk here is that as soon as it's something organized by adults, the
>>> >chase
>>loses
>>> >its attraction. OTOH, setting up a lab-network and telling them to hack
>>> >this and
>>this
>>> >computer and find a file containing this particular text, might set them
>>> >off. Kinda'
>>like
>>> >a treasure hunt. The coin has two sides though, as always. They might use
>>> >the
>>> >same techniques to hack you sharp production network, "just to see if it's
>>possible".
>>> >;-)
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >/Sorin
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>> >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>> >>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:17 AM
>>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>> >>
>>> >>He must be about 15/16. Cos there was the talk of him taking his final
>>> >>exams. I
>>am
>>> >>begining to notice a trend in all the schools I support. We seem to have
>>> >>about 3
>>or 4
>>> >>kids that are good @ things like that. Well these are kids we know, and I
>>> >>am
>>> >thinking
>>> >>of suggesting setting up a special technology group to help them chanel
>>> >>thier gift
>>> >>constructively.
>>> >>I might create a mini lab/ network with a dozen old pcs, and get them to
>>> >>play
>>and
>>> >>reaaly focusing and directing thier intelligent on good. Not sure how the
>>principals
>>> >>would take that, but I sure will suggest this to the IT director.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Patrick
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>________________________________
>>> >>
>>> >>From: Sorin Srbu <sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:10:27 AM
>>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>> >>
>>> >>Nice, and also rather ingenious IMO!
>>> >>
>>> >>How old kid(s) are we speaking?
>>> >>
>>> >>--
>>> >>/Sorin
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-
>>> >>>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
>>> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:12 PM
>>> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>> >>>
>>> >>>ok guys, after some serious talking to, the kid has decided to let us in
>>> >>>on some
>>of
>>> >>his
>>> >>>tricks.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>1. Download zip files allows him to get to the C: drive by being able to
>>> >>>access
>>> >>the
>>> >>>Temp Internet files.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>2. If he disconnects the computer from the network, it installs a local
>>> >>>profile for
>>> >>>him, giving him access to the C: drive and the “Run” command.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>3. He runs a “compressed” cmd file from within PowerPoint.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>4. By running “Find Printer” he is able to find users accounts.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>5. He accesses “command.com <http://command.com/>
>><http://command.com/>
>>> ><http://command.com/> ” (the equivalent of
>>> >>cmd.exe).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>6. He runs cmd.exe to get to files on the servers.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Should this kid not be studying, rather than keeping me busy?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Anyway, just thought to share.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Patrick
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>________________________________
>>> >>>
>>> >>>From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:54:33 PM
>>> >>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network - suggestions
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Yes I understand kids will be kids but it covers you.
>>> >>>Jim Kenzig
>>> >>>Blog: http://www.techblink.com
>>> >>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
>>> >>>Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Patrick <london31uk@xxxxxxxxx>
>>wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Jim,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This is an idea I have suggested, and I think there is a good case to
>>> >>>push this forward. Whats I have found is that no matter how tight you
>>> >>>try to
>>make
>>> >>>things the kids will seek to break in. In most cases because they do not
>>> >understand
>>> >>>what the consequences could be if enforced.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Really annoying.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Patrick
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>________________________________
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms/ <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:59:44 PM
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your network -
>>> >>>suggestions
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well I am not sure about Australia but here we do have computer
>>> >>>hacking laws and a simple "Your current computer activity appears to be
>>illegal
>>> >and
>>> >>>you may be prosecuted if you do not cease and desist" dm to the computer
>>may
>>> >be
>>> >>>enough. You of course also make sure that you have a proper logon privacy
>>> >>>message in place prior to logon that requires an OK click.
>>> >>> Here is ours:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> THIS SYSTEM IS FOR USE OF AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND
>>> >>>ACTIVITIES ONLY!
>>> >>> Activities may be subject to monitoring, recording, and periodic audits
>>> >>> The system and all content are property of CCPL and are NOT
>>> >>>considered private.
>>> >>> The organization may access any users accounts or communications.
>>> >>> Anyone using this system expressly consents to the above and to all
>>> >>>CCPL Policies and Rules regarding
>>> >>> computer and Internet use and security.
>>> >>> OK
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This should cover you legally at least.
>>> >>> Regards
>>> >>> Jim Kenzig
>>> >>> Blog: http://www.techblink.com <http://www.techblink.com/>
>>> ><http://www.techblink.com/>
>>> >><http://www.techblink.com/>
>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kenzig
>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/InternetPilot
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Berny Stapleton
>>> >>><berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yes, it was actually regedit and they were modifying the
>>> >>>SAM.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Quite clever really, but a little frustrating.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2009/3/25 Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.
>>> >>> <bcoffman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Scheduled task can run in System context & allow
>>> >>>someone to launch a cmd
>>> >>> > prompt or something with basically full control of the
>>> >>>system.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> > [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> >>>Of Sorin Srbu
>>> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:39 AM
>>> >>> > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> > Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
>>> >>>network - suggestions
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Could you please elaborate on the scheduler thing,
>>> >>>what's that about? Thx.
>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> > /Sorin
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>[mailto:windows2000-
>>> >>> >>bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
>>> >>> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:38 PM
>>> >>> >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> >>Subject: [windows2000] Re: How to tighten up your
>>> >>>network - suggestions
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Oh, turn off the scheduler. Keep your patches up to
>>> >>>date. (That's the
>>> >>> >>one that caught me)
>>> >>> >
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