Scott, I will go along with scary...but I'm not sure I would agree with the accurate part. I have seen problems in Sigrity's software when using both the Hspice and Generic outputs. If you have measured data in the time domain that agrees to the results you get from a .tran run I would like to see it. I will say, however, that the frequency domain results look pretty good, but I'm not as impressed with the time domain results. Nspice did a much better job in the time domain, and also was able to handle the .ac run well too. Regards, Craig -----Original Message----- From: Scott McMorrow [mailto:scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:46 PM To: xlzhou@xxxxxxxxx Cc: 'si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: (no subject) Mick, There are two solutions which I use: 1) Apache Nspice is an Hspice compatabible simulator that can co-simulate with Touchstone S-parameter files. http://www.apache-da.com/ 2) Sigrity BroadBand Spice can convert Touchstone s-parameter files into spice black boxes. http://www.sigrity.com/ Both are scary accurate in both the frequency and time domain. regards, scott -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 2926 SE Yamhill St. Portland, OR 97214 (503) 239-5536 http://www.teraspeed.com Zhou, Xingling (Mick) wrote: >Hello, > >Did anybody successfully generate broadband (DC-20GHz) SPICE model from S >matrix for complex structures using the SPICE generator in ADS ? Or any >other alternatives. I know Ansoft fullwave SPICE does the work. >Unfortunately, some circuit simulators do not support the frequency >dependent lookup table sources. We can definitely use [S] directly, but some >users still prefer SPICE models. Any experience to share ? > >Thanks, > >Xingling(Mick) Zhou, PhD >Signal Integrity Technologist >Agere Systems > >Tel: 610-712-7462 >Fax: 610-712-4081 > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu