Dear si-list, I would like to react to Ched-Chang Chai question concerning radiation from bends in printed circuit tracks. I have done TDR measurements and the conclusion is, as everybody elses conclusion, that the bends are very hard to see, except at very high frequencies. I tested with a rise time of 100ps and it was not possible to see any difference at all! The radiation from bends is harder but it has been studied numerically and has been measured! The results have been reported in the IEICE transactions (Japanese IEEE) and later in the IEEE trans on EMC. The paper in the IEICE is publically available: http://search.ieice.org/2001/pdf/e84-b_9_2604.pdf The IEICE is at http://www.ieice.org/eng/index.html Radiation from bend transmission lines Sungkyu LEE, Masashi HAYAKAWA, Naomitu ISHIBASHI Vol.E84-B No.9 p.2604 They present a figure (figure 2) that presents power loss (=radiated power) in function of line height over lambda (h/lambda) and for different angles at a frequency of 1GHz. Note that 90 degrees is not the worst case. There are also other concerns about radiation patterns between the various configurations. Check out the article. Because most microstrip lines have very small h/lambda the radiation from bends is very small. Actually the increase for practical tracks on PCBs is negligible and likely less than 1% (or even smaller), even for high frequencies Assume, as an example, that a bend has a 10% higher radiation loss than a straight wire. To make things easier assume that the radiated power is emitted isotropically than the far-field electric field is proportional to square root of the radiated power. So a bend produces an electric field that is about 5% higher or only 0.4dB. Again, for most practical stuff the 10% used here is much to high. A (carefull) conclusions is that radiation from bends is not an issue, much the same as for signal integrity (see Doug's article). Except, of course if your doing very high speed stuff, possible in combination with high h/lambda. Kind regards, Jan Vercammen PCB/EMC engneering Agfa-Gevaert Belgium ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu