DEAR PETER, All agreed. I have used Oriental since 1993 and definitely noticed the difference after its reincarnation. It is STILL a great paper, though not as amazing as before. My point stands; there have always been and still are great fine art photo papers most IMHO better than anything Kodak ever marketed except, perhaps, Medalist. CHEERS! BOB -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Badcock Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:20 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Oriental Seagull Papers Bob, the current line up of Oriental New Seagull Papers are very different to the original Oriental Seagull papers used by Ansell et. al. Some people like the new look, while others<http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/32979-oriental-seagull.html#post37 9683>report rather ordinary/mixed <http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/22211-oriental-seagull-dead-alive.html#p ost226804> results. Cybergraphics (the owners of Oriental New Seagull) have been outsourcing<http://www.apug.org/forums/forum172/16537-oriental-seagull-ilfor d.html>the manufacturing of their Oriental New Seagull paper for a few years now after they closed their Japanese factory. regards Peter On 17/09/2007, BOB KISS <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I haven't used a Kodak paper for decades. They were good for my > commercial > work in the 80s but, without a doubt, there are MUCH better fine art black > and white papers out there...Oriental Seagull for one. Even Ansel stopped > using Kodak in favor of Oriental paper as mentioned in one of his books. > Yes, I am always sad to see something that was a part of history > disappearing but I seem to notice that Oriental, Seagull, and Kentmere are > going strong. I am not ready to morn black and white paper for a LONG > time. > > As Mark Twain said, "As you can see, the rumors of my demise are greatly > exaggerated!" > CHEERS! > BOB > > __________ NOD32 2534 (20070917) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.