[pure-silver] Re: Oriental Seagull Papers

  • From: Bill Stephenson <photographica@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:45:05 -0400

I can't let that go without throwing in a word of praise for one of my all-time long-deceased favorites, Kodak's Opal - especially Opal V, with its dead-matte surface. Opal C was the best paper I ever found for redheads - the skin and hair glowed softly. Sigh..... 


-Bill


On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:05 AM, BOB KISS wrote:


DEAR PETER,
        All agreed.  I have used Oriental since 1993 and definitely noticed
the difference after its reincarnation. It is STILL a great paper, though not as amazing as before. My point stands; there have always been and still are great fine art photo papers most IMHO better than anything Kodak ever 
marketed except, perhaps, Medalist.
                CHEERS!
                        BOB

-----Original Message-----
From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Badcock
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:20 AM
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Oriental Seagull Papers

Bob,
the current line up of Oriental New Seagull Papers are very different to the original Oriental Seagull papers used by Ansell et. al. Some people like 
the new look, while
others<http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/32979-oriental- seagull.html#post37 
9683>report
rather ordinary/mixed
<http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/22211-oriental-seagull-dead- alive.html#p 
ost226804>
results.
Cybergraphics (the owners of Oriental New Seagull) have been
outsourcing<http://www.apug.org/forums/forum172/16537-oriental- seagull-ilfor 
d.html>the
manufacturing of their Oriental New Seagull paper for a few years now
after they closed their Japanese factory.

regards
Peter


On 17/09/2007, BOB KISS <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I haven't used a Kodak paper for decades.  They were good for my
commercial
work in the 80s but, without a doubt, there are MUCH better fine art black and white papers out there...Oriental Seagull for one. Even Ansel stopped using Kodak in favor of Oriental paper as mentioned in one of his books. 
Yes, I am always sad to see something that was a part of history
disappearing but I seem to notice that Oriental, Seagull, and Kentmere are going strong. I am not ready to morn black and white paper for a LONG 
time.
As Mark Twain said, "As you can see, the rumors of my demise are greatly 
exaggerated!"
                CHEERS!
                        BOB






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