DEAR MARK, Curious, but things either always bother me or bother me from time to time, not both. ;-)) All seriousness aside, photography is both a visual art and a craft and we are both artists and craft persons. We have a vision and need materials with which to express that vision.and now we find the number of options for silver gelatin printing materials contracting. This is why I started using alternative processes (platinum/palladium, cyanotype, salt and albumen prints); I can sensitize the printing materials myself.and make the actual paper if I am sufficiently masochistic. And I may even try collodion negatives, just like Brady & Co. I find alt processes exciting because there are SO many options with which to express my vision. Now when I have a visual inspiration I expose and process the negative taking into account my previsualization of the final print including the printing medium I will use. Some things look fantastic in cyano which would look boring in PT/PD. Some glow with a rich warmth in PT/PD which look, literally, cold in cyano. And some of my visions are best expressed in toned silver gelatin. I don't consider a discussion of options for printing paper obsessing about materials when so many are disappearing. Painters need to decide; acrylic or oils, cotton canvas or linen, etc. Have you ever tried to find genuine Blue-Marine these days? I mean the kind described in the book "Michelangelo and the Pope's Ceiling"? It was made from (I think) abalone shells. Most modern oil paints are made from other kinds of pigments and look great but they just don't have the color you will see on the Sistine Chapel ceiling. I agree that there are some who obsess but, in the present context, I don't feel that is the case. CHEERS! BOB _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Blackwell Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:27 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Oriental Seagull Papers Something that always bothers me from time to time. Do we get caught up too often in what paper we use, what settings are on the camera and what developer happens to be available at any given time? Look at some of what Mathew Brady's people did during the US civil war (1860s now) when they were not only developing but making their own plates for immediate use in either tents or wagons. A more modern example how many of you looked and saw what Becky Lynn did in a goat shed? That's not to say that we shouldn't explore all areas of the art, but maybe sometimes we get too caught up in what we don't have instead of making the most of what we have available. Mark _____ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http:/surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_pan el_invite.asp?a=7%20> Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.