RE: android app development
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:56:00 -0500
Oh come on my 67 year old dad drags and drops files in a portable drive
which is what the android phone works as. I am not saying that some people
don't like ITunes but you should not be forced to use a set of software or a
$29 cable to move a picture to a phone.
I don't know what you're talking about with the sync it all works for me.
ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:49 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: android app development
Yes, to clarify, consumer friendliness (mostly for the blind). The
argument's weaker for the general population (for reasons you cited
and others), but has been made before nonetheless. Not being part of
the group that can use the phone through the "normal" interface, I
can't say either way obviously... But, your example of drag and drop
files assumes that a person understands that concept and surprisingly,
that isn't a given for some people. Many regular consumers already
purchase their content from iTunes (i.e. iPod users), so it's more
natural for them to sync via iTunes than to drag from a complex folder
structure to another drive -> music folder.
Android auto-sync of app's is awesome though; too bad I can't really
achieve the same level of usability as any sighted person (no matter
how old they are).
On 12/16/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I disagree with you saying user friendly it is not. Maybe not yet for the
> blind but I will tell you this I know more older above 60 years old people
> using android than IPhone. You know why? First off when you plug the
> Android phone into a computer no matter if it's a mac or a pc you get a
> drive that's right just a drive imagine that you can copy files and stuff
> just like your used to. You don't have to load bloated ugly software that
> even my geek wife hates all though she has an IPhone and Ipad. Second
when
> you install apps it's a cleaner experience even cleaner than the app
store
> on Iphone. I freely admit I am a developer and cannot judge myself the
> ease in these environments because I love even the pain in the butt tech
> toys but when my friend's mother picks up an Android phone at the age of
58
> and loves the thing instantly you cannot say it's a tech toy. In fact The
> browser is one of those things that is easier to use for sighted people it
> just is fast and the browser seems to be bound into everything. Not to
> mention there is just nothing like talking to an Android phone. The IPhone
> pales in comparison when you are talking to the phone. These are things
the
> older people notice
>
> Now if you're a techy young geek you might like the IPhone more but the
> truth is Android phones are cheaper and have more plans, and have just an
> easier phone like interface to get used to. IPhone is let's face it a
mini
> me mac. If you're not a mac nut you're not going to be a Iphone nut.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:21 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: android app development
>
> I'd be the first to congrajulate you on the prediction if it comes
> true in 6 months. I've checked out some of the new handset's running
> Android, and very sexy they are indeed. Also, nice to have a platform
> where you can (given the right device) hack to your heart's content.
> You can even adb shell and get a basic linux prompt from where you can
> start accessibility.
>
> However, nice consumer phone it certainly isn't yet--partly because I
> don't think it's meant to be. With more power and configurability,
> the more the user has to understand what goes on under the hood. It's
> kind of the classic debate between Windows and Mac. Where Windows has
> a laundry list of options, Mac has maybe ten.
>
> I tend to like one or the other when I'm in different moods (layed
> back or hacking mode). I'd just like to see a little more attention
> to the nice-ities on access for the non-iphone platforms for us.
> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I am saving this file today is December. The 16th I will write again No
>> later than June next year. Let's see how the discussion goes then.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:08 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>
>> Good points about android. Believe me, I want to see a good solution
> coming
>> from this space, but knowing the challenges faced by these groups, I'm
>> somewhat skeptical. If someone's building their own branch of android,
> then
>> ow could see where it can happen. As with anything, it'll take some
> time.
>> Braille on the iphone's got bugs for sure. However, at least they're
> making
>> an effort. How in the world is a third party going to fund the
> development
>> of a free system for android? which dev's are willing to work for free
on
>> that?
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:59 PM, "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> See I think your
>>> missing something. I am not complaining about the IPhone per say. I am
>>> complaining about Apple. They have not yet got Braille right on the Mac
>>> book pro I use every day. How do you suppose they are going to get it
>> right
>>> on an IPhone or a Mac if they refuse to put computer Braille on it.
>> Believe
>>> me I am in touch with them and they are in no hurry. Without computer
>>> Braille you have what you have now and its crap.
>>>
>>> Would you be ranting about a computer that could print to 5000 different
>>> printers but Oh sorry you can only use one font and only half the
>>> punctuation? Hell no but you're ok with this?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>>> Tyler
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:45 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>
>>> And how long did it take apple to decide to support the braille
>>> displays? so because apple took forever after people joined the IOrgi
>>> and android wasn't right up there with them, it's bad?
>>> On 12/16/2010 2:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>> I know it is not ideal right now. However:
>>>> 1. This is the first iteration of braille input and output in iOS, and
>>>> the first release of anything is never perfect. At least grade 2
>>>> output is good, the touch cursor works for editing, and so on.
>>>> 2. You can just get a case with a bluetooth (qwerty) keyboard that
>>>> flips out for when you do not want to use the braille.
>>>> 3. At least braille output is there, making it very convenient to look
>>>> up information when it is too noisy to hear the speech, and you can
>>>> even turn off speech and still use braille.
>>>> Sure there are bugs, but I am saying that it is a great deal better
>>>> than Android, and Google did not seem to even make an effort with the
>>>> 2.3 release...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> As for the Braille displays on the IPhone it might support them but
>>> just
>>>>> try to type a web address let me explain how you have to do it because
>> of
>>>>> the stupid way Apple did Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> Type w three times wait almost 2 seconds sometimes then type low d if
>> you
>>>>> don't wait you will get double d. then type google. Wait till it
>> catches
>>> p
>>>>> sometimes its fast sometimes it is not type low d again make sure it
>>> catches
>>>>> up or you will get double d. They did not support computer Braille so
>>> you
>>>>> have to do these stupid work arounds to be able to type. I would
> rather
>>> get
>>>>> a tooth pulled with no anesthetic. So my nice RB18 stays put away and
> I
>>>>> type on the screen slowly. Really slow.ly. With my G2 though I can
> msn
>>>>> rocket fast and I can even search even though the web browser is iffy
>>> with
>>>>> ideal it is getting better. I can tell you that in the long run apple
>>> will
>>>>> not hold a candle to Android.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I have not used it much, but I have read many reviews, including
>>>>> the recent article about the lack of built in accessibility frameworks
>>>>> all but halting development of better screen readers which could, for
>>>>> example, provide use of the touch screen for standard UI elements.
>>>>> While Android's accessibility may not be Narrator, my point was that
>>>>> it is far behind where Apple is, and the most recent version of
>>>>> Android did nothing to change that, whereas the most recent version of
>>>>> iOS added wireless braille support for just about every
>>>>> bluetooth-enabled display I can think of.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it
for
>>>>>> quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does.
>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>>>> So ironic. Downright sad, if you ask me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old
Latin
>>>>>>> American saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..." "... A doctor's family
>>>>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
Hall
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has
>>>>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite
>>>>>>> good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS).
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>>>>>> Ty
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