Re: android app development
- From: Dave <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:59:39 -0800
I agree with just about all that you said. voiceover does have a lot to do
!become comparable with Jaws. However, part of your dislike is likely your
familiarity with Jaws. there's fundamental stability issues in Jaws that don't
exist in voiceover because Voiceover only goes so low in its retrieval of ax
info. jaws goes down to the gdi level. Hence you get random crap read to you
at times. I won't say one is better thn the other but jaws is far better as a
screen reader for developers simply because it seems more apt for text editing.
Android on the other hand, is another story. As a platform, for sighted users,
the difference isn't that dramatic when compared to iphone. however, on
android there's lack of support for many basic features. this is likely to
change in the future, but it's very hard to argue a point from vacuous
possibilities. android's also a harder nut to crack because of the diversity
of hardware and software.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:37 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I do know it's nice, I've seen it being used. But I think a lot of people are
> flocking to it, without looking anywhere else, (like android). I speak from
> experience, because I got my Mac around the same time everyone else was
> getting theirs--possibly a bit before. Voiceover was great, it works out of
> the box. but voiceover has many many problems that I don't experience with
> jaws. I know that jaws does have it's problems, but voiceover still has some
> cleanup to do before it can be quite as good in comparison. A lot of the
> "IPhone will never compare to android" is coming from people who are amazed
> at the fact that "gosh, it works out of the box!" and haven't taken a look at
> android.
> On 12/16/2010 6:01 PM, Dave wrote:
>> loving it. try sending an email from your mobile device. you gotta give
>> apple some credit for making something that many blind people can actually
>> use as opposed to having unrealized potential. how old are you anyways?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:13 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler"<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Another one on the IGasm train...
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2010 4:34 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>> are you kidding me? have you even used an android device? they're not
>>>> even in the same league.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:45 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler"<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And how long did it take apple to decide to support the braille displays?
>>>>> so because apple took forever after people joined the IOrgi and android
>>>>> wasn't right up there with them, it's bad?
>>>>> On 12/16/2010 2:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>>> I know it is not ideal right now. However:
>>>>>> 1. This is the first iteration of braille input and output in iOS, and
>>>>>> the first release of anything is never perfect. At least grade 2
>>>>>> output is good, the touch cursor works for editing, and so on.
>>>>>> 2. You can just get a case with a bluetooth (qwerty) keyboard that
>>>>>> flips out for when you do not want to use the braille.
>>>>>> 3. At least braille output is there, making it very convenient to look
>>>>>> up information when it is too noisy to hear the speech, and you can
>>>>>> even turn off speech and still use braille.
>>>>>> Sure there are bugs, but I am saying that it is a great deal better
>>>>>> than Android, and Google did not seem to even make an effort with the
>>>>>> 2.3 release...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> As for the Braille displays on the IPhone it might support them but
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> try to type a web address let me explain how you have to do it because
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the stupid way Apple did Braille.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Type w three times wait almost 2 seconds sometimes then type low d if
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> don't wait you will get double d. then type google. Wait till it
>>>>>>> catches p
>>>>>>> sometimes its fast sometimes it is not type low d again make sure it
>>>>>>> catches
>>>>>>> up or you will get double d. They did not support computer Braille so
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> have to do these stupid work arounds to be able to type. I would
>>>>>>> rather get
>>>>>>> a tooth pulled with no anesthetic. So my nice RB18 stays put away and I
>>>>>>> type on the screen slowly. Really slow.ly. With my G2 though I can msn
>>>>>>> rocket fast and I can even search even though the web browser is iffy
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> ideal it is getting better. I can tell you that in the long run apple
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not hold a candle to Android.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I have not used it much, but I have read many reviews, including
>>>>>>> the recent article about the lack of built in accessibility frameworks
>>>>>>> all but halting development of better screen readers which could, for
>>>>>>> example, provide use of the touch screen for standard UI elements.
>>>>>>> While Android's accessibility may not be Narrator, my point was that
>>>>>>> it is far behind where Apple is, and the most recent version of
>>>>>>> Android did nothing to change that, whereas the most recent version of
>>>>>>> iOS added wireless braille support for just about every
>>>>>>> bluetooth-enabled display I can think of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it for
>>>>>>>> quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does.
>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So ironic. Downright sad, if you ask me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old Latin
>>>>>>>>> American saying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..." "... A doctor's family
>>>>>>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has
>>>>>>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite
>>>>>>>>> good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS).
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