Re: android app development
- From: Dave <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:18:02 -0800
Yep intersection explorer and walkie talkie are great.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:03 PM, "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> One thing that Android has that the IPhone can't even touch and its part of
> the eyes free project is the gps walk about code where you can use your
> finger on the screen to explore an area. The closest thing in the access
> world is virtual explore on trekker but this is better because let's say
> there is a diagonal street off a intersection. You find it by drawing a
> diagonal line so you learn the shape of the roads which makes traveling it
> much better. I have Kaptain gps, and navago, and sender gps all on my
> IPhone and they don't even come close to how useful the Android phone is and
> all the android gps apps I use were free. I have spent over 200 in gps apps
> on the IPhone and still go back to my trekker unless I have my android phone
> on me.
>
> The problem with the IPhone is yes its accessible which means people are not
> writing very many useful access apps for it.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
> Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:47 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: android app development
>
> Android also offers the benafits of leveraging open source. I see the
> fact that a user doesn't have to pay a dollar to buy any app, or use a
> certain store regulated by Apple as something that draws people in very
> very soon, especially with some of the new regulations they're throwing
> around. You also don't have to jailbreak the phone (and effectively void
> your warranty), in order to do anything useful like install an app not
> in their store. I don't mind paying for some software, but I want the
> freedom to be able to install other apps on there, as well. If I decide
> I don't want to sell my soul to atnt and not go with the three year
> contract, $700+ should give me that right, with the ability to be able
> to send in my phone if something happens to it, and not have to worry
> about the fact that warranty is voided because I wanted a free app on my
> phone.
> On 12/16/2010 6:42 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>> If you think for a second that Apple is going to be able to keep up with
> all
>> the companies now putting into the Android platform you will be sorely
>> disappointed in the long run. I am the first to say that I use my IPhone
>> more than my android right now. That doesn't mean one has all the
> goodies.
>> Like I said If I want to type long messages or sit and msn with someone I
> do
>> not even pull the IPhone out of the bag. If however I want to play a good
>> game of moxi or do a web search to find out when the shuttle will get here
>> then I use the Iphone. I see a time not but 6 months away when that will
>> not be the case.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:55 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>
>> Sure. How much do you think a comparable Android device costs without a
>> contract? Ken, I won't argue that there's problems with Android
>> accessibility at a platform level, but that's going to reflect badly on
> the
>> whole end user experience.
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Alex Midence<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps you are right at that. I don't know much about the nuts and
>>> bolts of Android. I am looking at it from an end user perspective.
>>> The reason I don't have an iPhone is exactly the same as yours. I
>>> refused to pay 700 bucks for a phone. My god, man, that's more than
>>> some desktop pc's cost! Ridiculous if you ask me. It's a phone!
>>>
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> You keep selling the talk back short but it is not really the problem
> the
>>>> problem is actually the accessibility events . You are arguing the
> price
>>>> but it cost me 700 $ for my IPhhone cause I didn't want the 3 year
> plan.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:00 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>>
>>>> Ken,
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I know. I've heard the g2 is nice. It was also like twice as
>>>> much money. Charm is the most affordable one with the most
>>>> functionality. All the others either hadandroid 1.6 or didn't have a
>>>> physical keyboard or were not on the list of phones that worked with
>>>> eyes-free. The g-2 is the top of the line. Like 500 bucks or
>>>> something. Mine was about 200 which I had them tack onto my bill over
>>>> a year or two. My point is that it needs work. That, and that the
>>>> screen reader is less advanced than that which you can find for
>>>> Symbian, Windows Mobile and IPhone. I've never used Rimm so, can't
>>>> speak on that. I was extremely impressed with the gesture interface
>>>> for iPhone. You explore the screen with one finger and it knows that
>>>> you are only using one finger. When you want to select something, use
>>>> three fingers to tap it or just explore with three fingers and lift up
>>>> on what you want to select. It was pretty cool. I was quite happy
>>>> with Windows Mobile 6 and MobileSpeak. I moved to Android because I
>>>> was impressed with Dr. Raman's work in Emacspeak and figured that if
>>>> there was a blind developer in charge of accessibility for the
>>>> eyes-free interface that the phone would work very nicely. That and
>>>> I'm a Linux enthusiast. I'm pleased at the possibilities for the
>>>> future which are far beyond the competitors. The gps is wonderful and
>>>> free. Mobile Geo is expensive as is WayFinder. Walky Talky is free
>>>> and very nice. The haptic thing is seriously cool to and what it
>>>> suggests by way of possibilities is exciting. There are still bugs to
>>>> work out, however and I often find myself wishing that I had waited
>>>> another year or so before going with this option. We need a way to
>>>> explore the screen without triggering events and still explore with
>>>> the fingers and not the key pad. We need a way to assign hotkeys
>>>> where physical keys are not provided. I have two enter keys, one a
>>>> select key and the other a return key that do basically the same
>>>> thing. I would gladly sacrifice one to be the hang up button. Heck,
>>>> it ought to be mandatory that dial and hang up/end call bbe physical
>>>> keys. The key pad needs to be usable while the phone us up to the
>>>> ear. Turn off touch screen but keep keypad as input device.
>>>> Automated systems like a banking system or my special needs transit
>>>> system's automated menu are brutal to use right now. Just bugs, you
>>>> see. rough edges that need to be ironed out and which I think should
>>>> have been before this was released. Yes, it's open source and yes, it
>>>> is technically free but you have to pay for the phone to get it and I
>>>> am sure Google gets a slice of the proceeds any time someone buys
>>>> Android phones.
>>>> Alex M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Littlefield,
>>>>> Tyler
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully some of this will get fixed. I know there has been talk about
>>>>> it, but I don't know to much more than that. Thanks for the info
> though.
>>>>> First off I use a lot of main stream apps from msn to a couple games.
>> The
>>>>> fact is you have to use eyes free to get all the functionality for now
>> but
>>>>> you can still download apps and use them if they use regular controls
>> no
>>>>> different than the IPhone and I have both. I will say the web browser
>> is
>>>>> better on the IPhone for now and so is email but at least you can use
>> them
>>>>> with the ideal plug in. You have one of the worst phones.. I had a G1
>>>> and
>>>>> now a G2 and its much better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> On 12/16/2010 12:10 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>>> I have a motorola charm with android loaded onto it. It's just OK,
>>>>>> Ty. Lots of potential but for now, it's just OK. Sometimes, it is
>>>>>> downright frustrating, to be honest. The Talk-back screen reader is
>>>>>> very primitive. It's greatest feature is incorporation of tactile
>>>>>> feedback. It's going in a completely new direction than others on
>>>>>> other platforms because of this "Haptic feedback." apparently, some
>>>>>> work is being done to develop an app that produces haptic feedback in
>>>>>> the form of a scanned image or picture taken with the camera..
>>>>>> Someone mentioned using it to tactally explore a building or
>>>>>> something. What it lacks and this is big, is an exploratory mode for
>>>>>> the touch screen. You can not explore that thing without selecting
>>>>>> what you touch. Only work around is the "eyes free shell". If you
>>>>>> want to use something mainstream, you are out of luck. Also, you
>>>>>> can't assign hotkeys for stuff with it either. For instance, I can't
>>>>>> hang up my phone. Others have to hang up on me. Reason? The hang up
>>>>>> button is an icon on the touch screen appearing in different spots for
>>>>>> every call. You can use arrow keys to arrow to it but, they stop
>>>>>> working if the phone is up to your face and the screen reader voice
>>>>>> turns down to incoming call volume when you are on a call so, if you
>>>>>> pull the phone away from your face to use arrow keys, you can't hear
>>>>>> the screen reader land on the hang up button. If you try to get the
>>>>>> thing just close enough, your cheek will touch an icon or something
>>>>>> and launch an application like the web browser or the weather widget
>>>>>> or phone book and you have to close that app to get back to the call
>>>>>> window to hang up all the while doing this little inch closer and inch
>>>>>> away dance with your hand set so you don't turn off the screen and
>>>>>> input from keyboard and still be able to hear what you are doing. So,
>>>>>> I have a phone that has a gps, text messenger, camera, weather widget,
>>>>>> etc that I can't hang up and that is a pain to dial with. Meaning,
>>>>>> it's primary function is difficult to make use of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Observations from an Android end user who uses his phone every day.
>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it
> for
>>>>>>> quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does.
>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>>>>> So ironic. Downright sad, if you ask me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old
> Latin
>>>>>>>> American saying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..." "... A doctor's family
>>>>>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
> Hall
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has
>>>>>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite
>>>>>>>> good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS).
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