RE: Cross Platform Audio Game Engine

Hi,
Some of my very favorite music comes from Mario 64. I miss that game. Someone 
told me that Madden has a mode where you can simply pick plays and listen to 
the results. It would be nice if that were accessible. But if you could move a 
player around and maybe hear a noise in another part of the sound spectrum when 
a receiver comes open and another noise when you are about to get sacked, you'd 
be able to play with some action. Maybe if you were running, there could be a 
noise to your right that means you are going to go out of bounds. The action 
would be a lot slower, though, because seeing is quicker than hearing, or at 
least I think it is. I've never seen anything useful.

Jim

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm Dragon
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:36 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Cross Platform Audio Game Engine

Hi,
Yes, playing the same games would be great. Like for just once, I'd like a shot 
at beating Mario lol.
Storm
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On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 14:28 -0500, Homme, James wrote:



Hi Ken,

You are right about this. I'd love to be able to play video games with my son. 
He hates any of the games for the blind that he has seen so far. The action in 
video games is so fast and complex that I don't know how I'd be able to process 
it with my ears and play very well.



Jim



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 [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry

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Subject: RE: Cross Platform Audio Game Engine





Tyler you need to re-think your idea of what accessibility is.  This of course 
is just my opinion but if I cannot sit down and play a game against sited 
players as well as blind it's not accessible.  Take card games for example.  
There is All in play but no self respecting sighted person would pay to play 
something they can play on pogo so you're stuck with a group of blind people 
playing blind people.  I want to be able to play scrabble against anyone and so 
Graphics do matter.  In fact that is one reason I liked the game of break out 
even though they are not where I would like them to be yet my wife was able to 
play the break out game but it was to slow for her.  That can be fixed.  No 
graphics can't.



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Subject: Re: Cross Platform Audio Game Engine



I've started a project like this, which is just in it's early

development stages. What I aimed to do was provide a simple setup for

someone to use, use Lua (as it's quicker than Python) for the scripting

language, and make it free, and/or possibly open source. There's one

that David Greenwood of GMA wrote, but from what I understand he wants a

few thousand for it. The goal with my engine is three-fold: First, I

want to be able to make a bit of cash if someone sells the game. Say, $5

per game. Second, if someone would like to create a free game, they are

free to do so. Last, I want to make this easy to use with good complete

concise documentation. I don't know of any open source game engines for

accessibility, you could use something that wasn't so big on 3-d

rendering but had a good audio setup for something like this,

accessibility is just audio after all, and there doesn't need to be

anything special to make a game accessible that a decent engine couldn't

do. There is also XNA with C#, if you like c#. I don't mind it so much,

I've always wanted to get around to writing my own archiver for it

though, since it only plays WMA files (and those are kind of big). So, I

hope some of this rambling helped.

On 1/12/2011 10:15 AM, Lex wrote:

> Hi Storm,

>

> 12.01.2011 18:32, Storm Dragon пишет:

>> I have searched for this on Google but not really found what I am

>> looking for.

> I am also interested in the topic, so I searched something like "3d

> game engine architecture" and found some books on the subject to read:

> http://www.amazon.com/Game-Engine-Architecture-Applications-ebook/dp/B001C4QKD4

>

> http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Engine-Architecture-Charles-Development/dp/1584504730

>

>

> And lots of books on the subject is here:

> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4621536/Game_Design_eBooks_Pack

>

> I dreamed about creating a game engine  for audio games from the

> beginning of my programmer story, since I started to learn

> programming. I made a couple of attempts but newer finished my work

> because of different reasons such as change of major language (from

> Delphi to C++), lack of time, etc. Finally, I decided that such a task

> is almost impossible to achieve by one person with limited time

> resources (I am taking a degree at the university on software

> engineering). Last months my interest on the subject has even

> increased. Now I am researching different connected topics (like how

> to bind C++ code to python nicely) etc. During my previous attempts to

> build an engine I have learned a lot and I hope that one day I will be

> able to finish my work.

>> I guess my question is, what is involved in a game engine?

>> I assume it makes writing games easier, and it is based off already

>> existing programming languages with functions and/or objects to make

>> game creation easier.

> Yes. Game engine consists of several subsystems (sound, events, input,

> physics, network, scripting - to name some of them) and some

> abstraction which connects all of that together (to make it an engine,

> not only a package of libraries). The last part is, IMO, the most

> important: there exist a lot of libraries helping in game creation

> which can help to develop audio games, but there isn't some layer

> which presents all that stuff in way, which allows end-developer to

> concentrate on the game logic, instead of problems like "how to move

> my sounds when the object moves" or "how to bind keys/joystick/mouse

> to my functions", "how to invent a

> yet-another-game-saving-restoring-feature" etc.

>> I know there are several audio game companies out

>> there, and in an attempt to get more of them to do cross platform work,

>> I was considering starting work on a game engine.

> Consider joining me and collaborate on this. My target language is C++

> (for the core of the engine) and python for scripting.

>> I guess pygame is a game engine,

> I believe that pygame is a set of libraries, not an engine.

>> but it is mainly designed for

>> sighted play. So if I wrote an engine could I build it using pygame as

>> the backbone, and just make it easier to add sound generating objects?

> I don't think that will be enough.

>> Would it be better to do some platform checking and use openal in *nux

>> and directx in Windows?

> starting from vista, DirectX no more supports hardware accelerated

> sound, leaving one only with openal as a wide-accessible alternative

> for using hardware sound.

>> One thing that would be really awesome is to

>> make it easy to make graphical games with accessibility. My ultimate

>> dream is to have games that are accessible for everyone, not just blind

>> or just sighted users.

> Then you might look at some existing open-source graphic game engines

> and extend one of them to help developing accessible games.

>

>

> Lex

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