John Shutt wrote: > The proof is in the lack of ATSC product. Let's just for a second assume that Dale is right. The CE companies, looking to maximize profits, only sell to the umbillical service providers. Can you not accept that if this were the case, COFDM-based DTT receivers would suffer the same lack of availability as we see now? Before you can decide what the cure is, you need to know the disease. I had really expected, after 8-VSB was essentially fixed for indoor reception, that the CE vendors would get off their butts and get product out there. In order to hold on to your belief structure, you need to go on pretending nothing got fixed. All these 5th gen receivers, and perhaps even the Samsung prototype that appears to be a notch above the LG, are just a figment of CRC's imagination, and they have duped all the other people we've heard from, with success stories. It's all a big lie. > Have you noticed that most auto companies build the same > car, with only minor modifications for local laws, to > sell around the world? You can repeat this if you like, but it doesn't make it true. As I said before, depending on the time period, what you say here was not the case. To continue marketing cars to the US market, Euro companies in the 1970s and perhaps 1980s (I'm too lazy to check exact dates) in certain cases had separate production lines. The much more stringent emission laws here, which mandated use of 3-way catalytic converters, electronic engine management, lead-free gasoline, not to mention the 5 mph barrier crash test, made some very odd cars for this market. Years later, Europe adopted some of these same measures, and were able to avoid a lot of the early not-so-good designs that we had to put with. The moral of that story is that companies can and do go to great lengths to meet the requirements of different markets. > If that doesn't do it for you, here's an example closer to > your personal experience. You ever notice that computer > equipment sold worldwide is basically the same, with minor > changes to accommodate local power requirements? This proves nothing. Shampoo and dishwashing liquid might also be identical for all markets. That does not mean that all products sold must be identical. Clearly, TVs have NEVER been, and it looks like now digital radio too has caught this bug. The very simple fact is, John, that companies like ST and Micronas have already developed chip sets that can be used to produce TVs for all markets. The same MPEG decoders are married to ATSC or DVB-T front ends. So no big shakes here. Nothing at all to prevent cost effective production. So again, this idea that somehow all we need to do is adopt DVB-T just sounds, how to put it, delusional. To me. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.