OK Gents, the photograph of the great and outstanding silver solder tests with 7/32" dia 12L14 and 1018 steels can be seen at this site: http://photobucket.com/albums/c400/Unkajesse/?sc=1 if anyone is interested. The angle of bend that caused failure can be determined by the foreground 1018 butt joint. This angle was about the same for all four tests. Vise jaws were clamped about 1/4" from the joint and the rods were bent by hammering them to cause the bends. All of the broken surfaces looked alike,and though lighting causes some of them to appear different in the photo, rest assured that they all had a coating of solder on both sides of the break. Jesse the Tennessee redneck Hi Jesse Very interesting! When you say it "broke in the joint" do you mean that it was the silver solder itself that suffered the tensile failure? i.e. was there silver solder visible on both halves of the fractured joint? Regards Ron Head Oxford UK MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.