Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
- From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:07:35 -0400
I don't think so. The VL is monophonic.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of D!J!X!
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:15 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Doesn't that same board also have guitars and such?
D!J!X!
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:55 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
I really do like the VL board. It has some brass sounds that, when
pitching bending them down, will go through the harmonic series like a
real brass instrument, so you can simulate falls and rips etc.
Gord
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, the cards sell for between $120 and $300, depending on
their function. Most of them are worthless, in my opinion. They were
designed for Yamaha synths in the 90's, and so are technically way
behind the times in many ways. Yamaha made them work on the Motif and
Motif ES because they already had a full product line of these PLG
cards, so they could easily add them on as a Motif feature. The cards
have some technical problems, though, and they had to be left out of the
design for the XS so that that workstation could move forward in other
areas.
Having said that, though, there are a few good PLG cards.
The VL board uses physical modeling to immitate wind and some
other solo instruments. While the instruments don't always sound 100%
like their real world version, they are extremely expressive. They are
many more times expressive than what is even possible on the XS.
However, you can only play one of these at a time, so you can't for
example, use one of these cards to play a sax section in a Motif song,
for example. It is good for playing live, though.
The DX card emulates a Yamaha DX7. If you're really set on
getting a super authentic DX7 rhodes sound, FM style bass, etc, then
this is a good card. However, it, also, can only play a single part at
once.
There is an AN PLG card. This is a modeled analog synthesizer.
It produces much better analog synth sounds than is possible with the
motif. However, it plays only one part, and you can't fully edit the
sounds.
Last, I like the VH board, which is a vocal harmonizer. It isn't
the best one that I've ever heard, but it is better than most of the
cheap stuff that people have. It isn't noisy, and it integrates easily
with the Motif. It will track chords in a Motif song, and automatically
produce 3 part backing vocals for you as you sing into the mic. It also
has a mode where you can play the actual notes that you'd like the
backing voices to sing. The card is accessible (I wrote up lots of notes
about it in the ES Accessible Reference).
The others aren't so awesome. There are two different piano PLG
cards, a percussion card, a card that works like an XG-compatible synth
module, and a few others. Like I said, I don't like most of them.
Hope this helps.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:22 AM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Bryan:
Thanks a lot man.
I don't know if it worth the investment to purchase these cards
-- would you recommend them?
Which ones, please?
How much are they going for approximately?
Really appreciative of your help.
Take care.
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, you get more channels for accessing the Motif. You
don't get more channels in general.
For example, if you had the XG plg card a vl card, and
an an card installed, then you'd get 16 channels for the main tone
generator, 16 for the xg card, and 1 each for the plg cards. If you
don't use plg cards, though, the extra ports/channels aren't useful.
Also, you can not use the Motif as a control surface
over the basic MIDI ports with a MIDI interface like the Midisport.
So, using USB on the Motif is a good thing.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:08 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Hi, Bryan:
Thanks for the excellent tips. I was not aware of the
different functions for each port.
I was told that the USB connection should have afforded
me with more midi channels as oppose to using my midisport16 channels ;
Then that can't be right if I am only using port 1, though. I can only
play on 16 channels on port 1. I don't use the motif es as a controller
yet -- need to learn how to do so first. So, port 2 I will have to
disable it. The only two ports I will need are 1 and 3, port 3 for my
drum machine. This still would leave me with the same amount of channels
I had using my midisport, though.
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart
<mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, you don't want all ports enabled. This
could possibly be your problem.
Motif port 1 is used for the keyboard,
controllers, and for allowing Sonar to play sounds on the Motif. This is
the port that you'd get if you hooked up the Motif to the computer using
a MIDI interface and the basic MIDI in/out jacks on the back of the
Motif.
Port 2 is used by the Motif when its working in
control surface mode.
Port 3 allows you to access another MIDI
keyboard or module that is connected to the MIDI in and out jacks on the
back of the Motif. So, in addition to being able to use the Motif as a
MIDI device when it is connected to the computer over either USB or man,
you can also use the Motif as a single port MIDI interface for another
device.
On the Motif classic and ES, I think that ports
4, 5, and 6 let you have direct access to the PLG cards. In this way, it
is like each of the PLG cards are their own separate MIDI module.
In Sonar, you should only enable the ports that
you need. For example, you'd never need input from anything other than
ports 1 and 2. If you don't have PLG cards, and don't chain MIDI devices
off of the Motif, then only enable ports 1 and 2 for output.
Also, you should always use an audio metronome.
Using a MIDI metronome is the old school way of working. It requires
that you give up one of your 16 MIDI channels to serve as the metronome.
That isn't a good idea.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Fibraio
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 5:28 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, to my knowledge, no. You should be able to
just send. On all channels in a port. Maybe try reinstalling the driver,
or do a reset on the motif?
--
Damon Fibraio
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:21 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Damon:
Thanks for the info. I have done all that,
though. I am quite shock as to why only one port is working when I have
done the same for all of the other ports. That's why I hate configuring
these things after a fresh install.
May I possibly have to mess with some menus to
tell the keyboard to send on all ports? Anyone know how to do that
please if this may be the case?
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Damon Fibraio
<mailto:dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:56
PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not
working
OK, did you select the motif as in and
out? You have to assign the midi instrument definition to the midi port,
too. Also, make sure your midi channels are correct and put the motif
into song or pattern mode.
--
Damon Fibraio
screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn
dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: dfibraio
web sites: personal music site:
http://www.keyboardguy.com. band: http://www.queenoftheryche.com.
Internet Radio station: http://www.nhbradio.com
Internet radio show every Wednesday
night from 8 to 11 pm eastern
From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:07
PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not
working
Hello guys:
I have downloaded the USB driver for the
motif es, installed it, but I am getting no sound. I have also followed
the instructions to activate the USB on the Motif es, but to no avail.
The Midi activity is being shown on my
taskbar.
I have also installed and configured my
Instrument definition for the Motif es.
I noticed that in the midi devices
dialog box, there is only one option to select the motif es8. As for
input, it appears that it only goes to motif 1-4. Could it be that I am
not receiving input sound? I was under the assumption that by selecting
the motif es only, as the only option given, it would work for both
input and output.
Please help; I desperately want to get
this fix!
Thanks.
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
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