Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:36:03 -0400
Hey bryan, I honestly think that the electric piano sounds on the es are
lacking, I mean the rhodes and worlitzer sound good, but there's lack of
those galaxy EP and tines and the stuff used in slow ballads. Isn't this
dx7 card suppose to have lots of these? I heard yamaha left those kinds of
pianos out of the motif just so that you could get that card because it's
suppose to have tons of those kind of pianos, is this true? I was gonna get
one of these and a vl board and possibly a xg or the synth modeling 1, but
idk with all the software synths i have don't think i needed. I have lots
of xg compatible midis though...
Regards, D!J!X!
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:16 AM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, the cards sell for between $120 and $300, depending on their function.
Most of them are worthless, in my opinion. They were designed for Yamaha
synths in the 90's, and so are technically way behind the times in many
ways. Yamaha made them work on the Motif and Motif ES because they already
had a full product line of these PLG cards, so they could easily add them on
as a Motif feature. The cards have some technical problems, though, and they
had to be left out of the design for the XS so that that workstation could
move forward in other areas.
Having said that, though, there are a few good PLG cards.
The VL board uses physical modeling to immitate wind and some other solo
instruments. While the instruments don't always sound 100% like their real
world version, they are extremely expressive. They are many more times
expressive than what is even possible on the XS. However, you can only play
one of these at a time, so you can't for example, use one of these cards to
play a sax section in a Motif song, for example. It is good for playing
live, though.
The DX card emulates a Yamaha DX7. If you're really set on getting a super
authentic DX7 rhodes sound, FM style bass, etc, then this is a good card.
However, it, also, can only play a single part at once.
There is an AN PLG card. This is a modeled analog synthesizer. It produces
much better analog synth sounds than is possible with the motif. However, it
plays only one part, and you can't fully edit the sounds.
Last, I like the VH board, which is a vocal harmonizer. It isn't the best
one that I've ever heard, but it is better than most of the cheap stuff that
people have. It isn't noisy, and it integrates easily with the Motif. It
will track chords in a Motif song, and automatically produce 3 part backing
vocals for you as you sing into the mic. It also has a mode where you can
play the actual notes that you'd like the backing voices to sing. The card
is accessible (I wrote up lots of notes about it in the ES Accessible
Reference).
The others aren't so awesome. There are two different piano PLG cards, a
percussion card, a card that works like an XG-compatible synth module, and a
few others. Like I said, I don't like most of them.
Hope this helps.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:22 AM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Bryan:
Thanks a lot man.
I don't know if it worth the investment to purchase these cards -- would you
recommend them?
Which ones, please?
How much are they going for approximately?
Really appreciative of your help.
Take care.
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, you get more channels for accessing the Motif. You don't get more
channels in general.
For example, if you had the XG plg card a vl card, and an an card installed,
then you'd get 16 channels for the main tone generator, 16 for the xg card,
and 1 each for the plg cards. If you don't use plg cards, though, the extra
ports/channels aren't useful.
Also, you can not use the Motif as a control surface over the basic MIDI
ports with a MIDI interface like the Midisport.
So, using USB on the Motif is a good thing.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:08 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Hi, Bryan:
Thanks for the excellent tips. I was not aware of the different functions
for each port.
I was told that the USB connection should have afforded me with more midi
channels as oppose to using my midisport16 channels ; Then that can't be
right if I am only using port 1, though. I can only play on 16 channels on
port 1. I don't use the motif es as a controller yet -- need to learn how
to do so first. So, port 2 I will have to disable it. The only two ports I
will need are 1 and 3, port 3 for my drum machine. This still would leave me
with the same amount of channels I had using my midisport, though.
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, you don't want all ports enabled. This could possibly be your problem.
Motif port 1 is used for the keyboard, controllers, and for allowing Sonar
to play sounds on the Motif. This is the port that you'd get if you hooked
up the Motif to the computer using a MIDI interface and the basic MIDI
in/out jacks on the back of the Motif.
Port 2 is used by the Motif when its working in control surface mode.
Port 3 allows you to access another MIDI keyboard or module that is
connected to the MIDI in and out jacks on the back of the Motif. So, in
addition to being able to use the Motif as a MIDI device when it is
connected to the computer over either USB or man, you can also use the Motif
as a single port MIDI interface for another device.
On the Motif classic and ES, I think that ports 4, 5, and 6 let you have
direct access to the PLG cards. In this way, it is like each of the PLG
cards are their own separate MIDI module.
In Sonar, you should only enable the ports that you need. For example, you'd
never need input from anything other than ports 1 and 2. If you don't have
PLG cards, and don't chain MIDI devices off of the Motif, then only enable
ports 1 and 2 for output.
Also, you should always use an audio metronome. Using a MIDI metronome is
the old school way of working. It requires that you give up one of your 16
MIDI channels to serve as the metronome. That isn't a good idea.
Bryan
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Damon Fibraio
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 5:28 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Rod, to my knowledge, no. You should be able to just send. On all channels
in a port. Maybe try reinstalling the driver, or do a reset on the motif?
--
Damon Fibraio
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From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:21 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Damon:
Thanks for the info. I have done all that, though. I am quite shock as to
why only one port is working when I have done the same for all of the other
ports. That's why I hate configuring these things after a fresh install.
May I possibly have to mess with some menus to tell the keyboard to send on
all ports? Anyone know how to do that please if this may be the case?
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Damon <mailto:dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxx> Fibraio
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
OK, did you select the motif as in and out? You have to assign the midi
instrument definition to the midi port, too. Also, make sure your midi
channels are correct and put the motif into song or pattern mode.
--
Damon Fibraio
screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: dfibraio
web sites: personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. band:
http://www.queenoftheryche.com. Internet Radio station:
http://www.nhbradio.com
Internet radio show every Wednesday night from 8 to 11 pm eastern
From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:07 PM
To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [MoAccess] Motif ES USB not working
Hello guys:
I have downloaded the USB driver for the motif es, installed it, but I am
getting no sound. I have also followed the instructions to activate the USB
on the Motif es, but to no avail.
The Midi activity is being shown on my taskbar.
I have also installed and configured my Instrument definition for the Motif
es.
I noticed that in the midi devices dialog box, there is only one option to
select the motif es8. As for input, it appears that it only goes to motif
1-4. Could it be that I am not receiving input sound? I was under the
assumption that by selecting the motif es only, as the only option given, it
would work for both input and output.
Please help; I desperately want to get this fix!
Thanks.
Rod Alcidonis
Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.
Roger Williams University School of Law
10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003
Bristol, RI 02809
Cell: 718-704-4651
Home: 01-824-8685
Roddj12@xxxxxxxxxxx
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