Brian: >These three acts of the mind are expressed in (1) terms, (2) propositions >and (3) >arguments. I do not agree with your definition of faith so when we >are using the word we are using a term in two different ways and it >is muddying the rest of the dialogue. You are defining faith in a >type of Freudian wish fulfillment role and I'm not so unless we can >agree on a definition we are at an impasse right out of the gate. Maybe ours are closer than you think and I just can't seem to elucidate it. What's YOUR definition? Like I said, it's been a few hours, and NO ONE has offered up an alternative to what they think I mean. By "faith" (in the religious sense mainly) I mean, a state in which someone holds beliefs and follows those beliefs. He/she insists on these beliefs even in the face of a complete lack of evidence other than an argument from authority. The paucity of said evidence does NOTHING to dissuade the person from keeping this faith. This faith is almost exclusively a herd-mentality type. never ready to hit 'send' but I do anyway, paul _________________ [insert pithy quote here] Paul Stone pas@xxxxxxxx Leamington, ON. Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html