OK, to give the benefit of the doubt I looked over the two schedules and put them in a spreadsheet. Shall we break it down by hours / day? +------+-----+------+------+-----+-----+-------+ | Year | Sun | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Total | +------+-----+------+------+-----+-----+-------+ | 2004 | 16 | 1 | 4.75 | 3 | 8 | 32.75 | | 2005 | 0 | 0.75 | 6.25 | 0 | 8 | 15 | +------+-----+------+------+-----+-----+-------+ This does not include the Demo/Cadence night stuff, nor the User Group stuff. It also does not include Front End or SpecctraQuest stuff, but does include Specctra. As far as I can see, CDNLive! has roughly half of the PCB Design content from the 2004 event. I have no way to compare costs, so maybe the cost of CDNLive! is half of the cost of the ICUG conference to make up for it. Your comment about 24 Hours of tutorials in 2005 is interesting, considering that only 2 tutorials have anything to do with PCB design, out of 17 total. And BOTH are on Thursday afternoon so you have to sit thru Wednesday and half of Thursday to attend one or the other. I guess the new, improved, voted-on-by-nobody committee should be proud, they did what Cadence wanted. I for one am still waiting to be impressed. -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, PCB Design Group P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 <http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com It's my opinion, not Tektronix' -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael.Catrambone@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 20:32 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference Importance: High George, I ran the numbers a couple times prior and after we built this years schedule and it looks like we are close to the PCB Content compared to last years ICU Conference. Just for my sanity, I ran them again - twice to be sure : ICU Conference (Sunday thru Thursday) ICU PCB SIG 2004 Papers = 14.75 Hours Roadmaps = 2.5 Hours Tech Panels = 4 Hours Tutorials = 32 Hours (All Day Sun. and Thurs.) PCB SIG Business = .5 Cadence Tech Night (Demo Night) = 3 Hours Vendor Fair = 3 Hours CDNLive! Conference (Monday thru Thursday) CDNLive! 2005 - SPB Co-Design Papers = 12.75 Hours Roadmaps = .75 Hour Tech Panels = 2 Hours Tutorials = 24 Hours (1/2 day Wed. / All Day Thurs.) Design Expo (Vendor Fair) = 1.5 + 3 Hours Cadence Tech Night (Demo Night) = 3 Hours and "Meet the Developers (R&D)" I agree with you, if you review the schedule there is more IC Design content then in previous years but I don't believe the PCB Design content was effected by this increase. The Steering Committee and I are strongly committed in making this conference a success for the user community with rich technical content. Michael Catrambone UTStarcom, Inc. Chairman Cadence Designer Network