Jan Thanks for the vote of confidence. True I can spot a lot of simple errors, but having dealt with technical documents long enough a bus is not a buss except for sometimes! :-)) But then again, it might be interesting checking out white papers for others. Please let me know if you have any questions. Shirley H. Bolman APD(the group not the package) Cad Librarian 8-712-9637 It is a PRIVILEGE to be born free. It is a RIGHT to live free. It is a DUTY to die free. ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Noble, Jan Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:58 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference Andy, I am not attending this year and didn't attend last year..... But I still support you and thank you and the ICU board. I have been involved in large conference planning and most people have no idea of the enormous amount of work involved to put the event together. Mostly with no thanks, also. Thank You! Events happen because people make them happen. There is an enormous amount of talent in this forum. :-) How about sharing that via (not a hole but a paper:-) a white paper or other submission? The paper doesn't have to be perfect, there are lots of people who can help you polish it. (Shirley can spot a misspelled word anywhereeeee.) This is a great place to be, let's make the conference a great place to go to. Jan Noble EPSD Product Change Coordinator Shasta C3/D2, Tiger2, McCarran Langley/Mullins, Eco-Systems 253-371-6197 - desk 253-416-0307 - pager July 2005 Saluting our Founding Fathers. Without these courageous men, we would not be having this conversation. Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. -- Josef V. Stalin ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kulik, Andreas Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:49 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference George, You and others didn't know about this, since we kept quiet hoping that the users out there would not feel a difference. To make a long story short, we had worked hard to stay involved obviously without success. In addition I believe that Mike tried very hard to keep the rest of the ICU board involved but the result was the same. Personally, I will continue to support this event in what ever way I can. Papers from users are great, Tech-panels are great too, but there is nothing better than talking to another user during a break or in the evening sessions. Anyway, I hope to see a few people from past years at CDNLive and I wish the new team good luck in making it a successful conference. Andy -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:50 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference Andy: Sorry I couldn't do emails sooner, but I had something come up that had to be handled without interruption and I am just getting to them now. My only comment for the former user group officers is "how did this happen." I see a large reduction in content, and a conference controlled by Cadence. I find it interesting that few of the former officers are involved. My comments were mainly directed at the present committee who have no reason to be worried about user comments since they are not pit in place by the users but by Cadence. Sorry for the misunderstanding. -- George Patrick Tektronix, Inc. Central Engineering, PCB Design Group P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001 Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/> It's my opinion, not Tektronix' -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kulik, Andreas Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 04:50 To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference Hi George, I have to stick up for the "former" ICU PCB SIG members (Charlie Davies, Randy Bye, Carl Musetti and myself). We have not been involved with the organization of CDNLive and this years PCB content. In addition, we are not members of the new Steering Committee that organizes this event. Regards Andy PS: In case some people on this forum are interested in seeing some pretty cool PDM/PLM stuff just stop by at the Vendor Fair/ Exhibits... (Ed, thanks for the good wishes.)