[PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference
- From: george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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- Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:32:56 -0700
My last comment on the subject: APD classes and tutorials are useless to
the average PCB Designer and should not be counted in the PCB totals just
because the tool uses many of the same commands as the PCB tool. We can
discuss it personally if you want, if I can talk my manager into letting me
go to the conference.
I'm done.
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference
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George,
It probably is time to take this conversation off-line.. This is not
what the forum should be used for but I need to close the lose
ends before we take it off-line so it doesn't look like I am holding
back information.
My numbers were generated using ICU PCB SIG related content
compared to SPB Co-Design tracks seeing that there is no longer
an ICU PCB SIG for a one to one comparison. Included in my
numbers are both Board Level Design, Package Level Design and
Signal Integrity for both as they are moving closer together at this point
in the industry. I believe this is why are numbers come out different.
Also my comments about the 24 hours of tutorials was based on
my latest list of tutorials which has not made the web site yet.
So basically we have CM tutorial and a Package tutorial on
Wednesday afternoon, Package tutorial on Thursday morning,
High Speed SI tutorial on Thursday afternoon and the always well
received "What's new in Allegro" that runs all day on Thursday.
2 tutorials on Wed afternoon = 4 hours a piece -> 8 hours total
1 tutorials on Thurs morning = 4 hours
1 tutorial on Thurs afternoon = 4 hours
1 tutorial all day on Thrus = 8 hours
Total hours of tutorial content available = 24 hours
Just to close on your final comment about the Steering Committee.
These folks are Cadence customers just like, you and I, representing
the user community to develop content for the conference. We did not
"do what Cadence wanted" regarding the content of this conference it was
driven but a Customer representative steering committee and submitted
abstracts from Cadence users.
I responded to your question to the forum now it is time to take this
conversation off-line. After we chat we can certainly report back to
the forum with the results of the conversations so no information
is held back.
Mike
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OK, to give the benefit of the doubt I looked over the two schedules and
put
them in a spreadsheet.
Shall we break it down by hours / day?
+------+-----+------+------+-----+-----+-------+
| Year | Sun | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Total |
+------+-----+------+------+-----+-----+-------+
| 2004 | 16 | 1 | 4.75 | 3 | 8 | 32.75 |
| 2005 | 0 | 0.75 | 6.25 | 0 | 8 | 15 |
+------+-----+------+------+-----+-----+-------+
This does not include the Demo/Cadence night stuff, nor the User Group
stuff. It also does not include Front End or SpecctraQuest stuff, but does
include Specctra. As far as I can see, CDNLive! has roughly half of the
PCB
Design content from the 2004 event. I have no way to compare costs, so
maybe the cost of CDNLive! is half of the cost of the ICUG conference to
make up for it.
Your comment about 24 Hours of tutorials in 2005 is interesting,
considering
that only 2 tutorials have anything to do with PCB design, out of 17 total.
And BOTH are on Thursday afternoon so you have to sit thru Wednesday and
half of Thursday to attend one or the other.
I guess the new, improved, voted-on-by-nobody committee should be proud,
they did what Cadence wanted.
I for one am still waiting to be impressed.
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587 <http://www.tektronix.com/>
http://www.tektronix.com <http://www.pcb-designer.com/>
http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 20:32
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: CDNLive! Conference
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George,
I ran the numbers a couple times prior and after we built
this years schedule and it looks like we are close to the
PCB Content compared to last years ICU Conference.
Just for my sanity, I ran them again - twice to be sure :
ICU Conference (Sunday thru Thursday)
ICU PCB SIG 2004
Papers = 14.75 Hours
Roadmaps = 2.5 Hours
Tech Panels = 4 Hours
Tutorials = 32 Hours (All Day Sun. and Thurs.)
PCB SIG Business = .5
Cadence Tech Night (Demo Night) = 3 Hours
Vendor Fair = 3 Hours
CDNLive! Conference (Monday thru Thursday)
CDNLive! 2005 - SPB Co-Design
Papers = 12.75 Hours
Roadmaps = .75 Hour
Tech Panels = 2 Hours
Tutorials = 24 Hours (1/2 day Wed. / All Day Thurs.)
Design Expo (Vendor Fair) = 1.5 + 3 Hours
Cadence Tech Night (Demo Night) = 3 Hours
and "Meet the Developers (R&D)"
I agree with you, if you review the schedule there is more
IC Design content then in previous years but I don't believe
the PCB Design content was effected by this increase.
The Steering Committee and I are strongly committed in
making this conference a success for the user community
with rich technical content.
Michael Catrambone
UTStarcom, Inc.
Chairman
Cadence Designer Network
(See attached file: C.htm)
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