[haiku] Re: please keep non-GSoC comments out of these threads; was [GSsC] usermode Haiku or file system development
- From: Matt Madia <mattmadia@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: haiku@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:48:45 -0400
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 13:03, Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Stephan Assmus wrote:
>> On 2010-04-08 at 14:21:31 [+0200], Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
> Off the top of my head: OSS, the ports to various processor platforms, and
> the various GSoC-related projects whose code is gathering dust (BFS-FUSE,
> beacon, zeroconf, etc.). See below for some more GSoC-specific projects.
>
>>> ...so +1 on being off topic, but unfortunately the guy does have a
>>> point: Haiku development does lack focus. I know this may shuffle some
>>> feathers, but I just had to get it off my chest...
>> Preferring projects that bring us closer to R1 may or may not be a
>> good idea. It's been discussed in past GSoCs. For example GSoC projects
>> being successful to the point of being integrated with the code and part of
>> the image are not the majority. It means focusing GSoC projects on R1 bullet
>> points may actually delay R1 if they are not successful.
>>
>
> Looking at how GSoC has played out in the past, I highly doubt that
> encouraging students to work on what they feel most motivated works well for
> Haiku. On the one hand, the resulting code is not likely to help the project
> move forward along its development roadmap (in many cases, it just ends up
> gathering dust); on the other, and perhaps more importantly, you have to
> consider the fact that mentoring sucks up developer attention and time, so
> you are in fact also diverting resources from the R1 goal.
>
Jorge G. Mare:
Bravo. For someone who is highly skilled in public relations (and even has
a @haiku-os.org email address primarily for that reason), you have
yet again displayed a wonderful talents of communicating within the project
in a way that de-motivates contributors, turns the focus from development
to topics that "ruffle feathers", and on more than one occasion having random
people express comments that indicate un-subscribing from the list.
I applaud your skills, well done sir.
If you would honestly like to understand why people have a tendency to
not take kindly to your input, then please set aside some time to take
in what is being taught in these two videos. To note, every person who
participates in an open source community can also benefit from
watching these movies.
The first is a Google Tech Talk from the Subversion developers.
One of the key points of discussion being the most precious commodity
in an open source community.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645
The second is by Donnie Berkholz of Gentoo Linux.
Three topics that he discuss is: the damage of negative remarks, the
damage of existing project contributors "burying their heads in the
sand" by avoiding discussions with certain people, and the fact that
the goal of software projects is to write software & not to help
individuals improve there communication abilities.
http://blip.tv/file/2444432
http://www.mattwoodward.com/blog/index.cfm?event=showEntry&entryId=68C06071-8977-43E4-9E36A8B17D644699
--mmadia
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