[geocentrism] Re: Passover and Easter Dates Reversed
- From: Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:17:54 -0600
Cheryl,
The New Year is not set at will in the Jewish calendar.
http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday2.htm It is the first of the seventh month
(moon) of the year. The beginning of the first month (moon) in the
spring sets the timing of the seventh month in the fall. How about the
new year on the Gregorian calendar? Where in the Bible does the year
begin in the middle of winter? Have you ever wondered why September is
the ninth month and not the seventh month? The early Romans reckoned
from March.
Again, Biblically the seventh month's appointed times illustrate a
calendar different than we use today. Lev 23:24 Speak unto the
children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first [day] of
the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets,
an holy convocation. This is a new moon celebration that traditionally
corresponds with the creation of the world. This is followed by
Atonement on the 10th and Tabernacles...
Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day
of this seventh month [shall be] the feast of tabernacles [for] seven
days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day [shall be] an holy convocation: ye shall do
no servile work [therein].
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the
LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye
shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it [is] a solemn
assembly; [and] ye shall do no servile work [therein].
If you do the math you see that the 15th and the 22nd are sabbaths. I
hold that these are also weekly sabbaths. If so, the 8th and 29th are
also weekly sabbaths. So you have the 1st, a new moon, followed by four
"weeks," of six working days and a sabbath. YHWH overlaid Atonement on
the 10th, one of the working days.
Recently I have come to understand Genesis 1 as having an unnumbered
creation day in verses 1-2 where the raw materials were made, that
corresponds to a new moon day, followed by the six working days of the
creation. Each of these six working days begins with "And God said."
I understand that whoever sets the calendar sets the worship times.
Lucifer has effectively supplanted YHWH's appointed times.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and
shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times
and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times
and the dividing of time.
Cheryl, it is noble to want the powers that be to use the Creator's
Calendar. Our response, however, needs to be obedience, even in the
face of persecution.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of
her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye
receive not of her plagues.
Carl
Cheryl wrote:
>Carl -- "We can't change
>the Jewish or Christian calendars, but we can attempt to learn and
>follow the Creator's calendar and meet on his appointed times!
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>Is this statement 100 percent true? Isn't the New Year set at will in the
>Jewish calendar?
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>I think someone could have averted this mix-up, some how, some way. I think
>it should have been averted.
>
>Yes?
>
>Cheryl
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carl Felland" <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:48 PM
>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Passover and Easter Dates Reversed
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>>Cheryl,
>>I'm afraid that the devil got his horns in when he set up the Julian and
>>Gregorian calendars. Continuously repeating seven day weeks is not the
>>Creator's idea. It is very hard for us to see this because we have a
>>hard time admitting that something so much a part of our lives could be
>>wrong. Again, weeks as we know them now are nowhere in the Bible.
>>
>>Real months start with the new moon. In the lunar/solar calendar used
>>in Scripture the first month of the year was associated with the stage
>>of the barley crop. This usually corresponds with the first new moon
>>after the equinox, but this year is apparently the month that began 9
>>days before the equinox. Currently, Jews and Christians calculate
>>calendars in advance, rather than waiting for the agricultural signs.
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>>I'm afraid that following the Jews or the Christians now is not
>>necessarily the same as following YHWH. For example Easter always falls
>>on Sunday; whereas, Messiah's resurrection fell on the 16th of Abib
>>(which is the day after the sabbath on the 15th). However, the 16th of
>>Abib can fall on any day of the Gregorian calendar.
>>
>>You are right that the dates are reversed this year. We can't change
>>the Jewish or Christian calendars, but we can attempt to learn and
>>follow the Creator's calendar and meet on his appointed times!
>>
>>Carl
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>>Cheryl wrote:
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>>>Carl -- In the Jewish calendar, I wonder if it is possible that the New
>>>Year could have been started at another date than the one that was picked?
>>>Is that possible? If so, would that have affected the date of Passover?
>>>
>>>I realize that Easter is the name of the old pagan holiday, which is why
>>>KJV
>>>refers to Easter in Acts 12:4 (translating from "pascha" normally rendered
>>>passover 26 other times by KJV translators) -- because it (Easter) was
>>>after
>>>the feast of unleavened bread (i.e. after Passover). Passover can't be
>>>after Passover, and King Herod was literally waiting until after the pagan
>>>holiday of Easter.
>>>
>>>Nonetheless, the name of Easter has come to mean the celebration of the
>>>resurrection of Jesus. I don't know who is to blame for affixing that
>>>name
>>>to that momentous event. Christians are free to call it Resurrection Day
>>>or
>>>Victory Day or whatever name they choose to call it.
>>>
>>>The Easter part has to do with the bunnies and eggs and candy and all that
>>>stuff.
>>>
>>>As Christians we certainly can't refuse to acknowledge and celebrate the
>>>day
>>>our Lord won His victory over Satan and death just because maybe the Devil
>>>managed to horn in and get the wrong name affixed to the Lord's Day.
>>>
>>>And Christians began to meet and to worship on Sunday spontaneously as it
>>>is
>>>recorded in the Bible, and Scripture says they did so because Sunday was
>>>Resurrection Day. (Rev. 1:10, 1 Cor. 10:16, and Acts 20:7).
>>>
>>>But since we know that Jesus was crucified after he had taken the Passover
>>>meal, being Jewish himself -- (He came unto his own and his own received
>>>him
>>>not) -- it's not right that Resurrection Day (Easter) should be celebrated
>>>before Passover, not at all.
>>>
>>>Either the Jewish Calendar or the Gregorian Calendar needs to make way
>>>for
>>>the historical fact, by which BOTH calendars are dated (AD, BC, and the CE
>>>and BCE of the Jewish calendar.)
>>>
>>>This is an insult to God and a slap in His face to have these dates
>>>reversed
>>>IMHO. I for one will not celebrate this day until after Passover. I
>>>think
>>>Passover should give way to Resurrection Day because even the Jewish
>>>Calendar acknowledges its dating from Christianity.
>>>
>>>Not a good thing on top of all the other awful stuff -- the legalized
>>>homosexual marriages, the child abductions, the massive pedophilia that's
>>>erupting, the depravaity, abortions, all the terrible wickedness.
>>>
>>>***
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Carl Felland" <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:52 AM
>>>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Passover and Easter Dates Reversed
>>>
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>>>>Cheryl,
>>>>"Easter had a pre-Christian origin, namely a festival in honour of
>>>>Eostre, the Teutonic dawn-goddess, also known as Eos, the Greek
>>>>dawn-goddess, and as Usha or Ushas, the Hindu dawn-goddess" (Koster,
>>>>C.J. 1996. Come Out of Her, My People, Institute For Scripture
>>>>Research, South Africa). To celebrate Easter seems rather sacrilegious
>>>>or occultist to me.
>>>>
>>>>I said in an earlier post that this month is an intercalary month in the
>>>>Jewish calendar, a thirteenth month. The reason is that the equinox
>>>>occurs after this past new moon. Jewish observation of Passover this
>>>>year is in the month beginning after the equinox.
>>>>
>>>>However, the Karaites www.karaite-korner.org/ and other Jewish groups
>>>>are considering this the first month based on the development of the
>>>>barley crop. Moses told the Israelites to begin the year with the month
>>>>of Abib. Deu 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover
>>>>unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought
>>>>thee forth out of Egypt by night. Barley in the stage of Abib at the
>>>>new moon indicates that it will be ready for the first fruits offering
>>>>on the day after the first day of Unleavened Bread. Lev 23:11 And he
>>>>shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the
>>>>morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
>>>>
>>>>Thus the debate on the importance of equinox rages. Scripture doesn't
>>>>mention equinox. Others may want to comment on how Easter is fixed, but
>>>>I will share my understanding of the Greek pascha of the New Testament.
>>>>
>>>>Messiah observed the Torah or Old Testament law. In the month of Abib
>>>>he celebrated Passover on the 14th. This was the day that he was
>>>>crucified. He rested in the grave on the first day of Unleavened Bread
>>>>that was a high sabbath and also a normal weekly sabbath. Joh 19:31
>>>>The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies
>>>>should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath
>>>>day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken,
>>>>and [that] they might be taken away. He rose from the grave on the day
>>>>following the Sabbath, the day of the Wave-sheath offering.
>>>>
>>>>No one in the group has responded to my assertion that the weeks are
>>>>determined by the moon. The calendar that most of the world observes
>>>>today originated as the Julian and has come to us in the form of the
>>>>Gregorian Calendar. Check any history to see that Julius Caesar ordered
>>>>a calendar that disregarded the moon. He in effect was trying to
>>>>supplant the calendar put into the heavens by the Creator. His calendar
>>>>even had an eight day week. Constantine instituted the seven day
>>>>planetary week (this also seems rather sacrilegious or occultist to
>>>>me.) I've been concerned that Christians worship on SUNday; while in
>>>>fact, Saturday sounds suspiciously like SATYRday or Satan's Day!
>>>>
>>>>Today is a Biblical sabbath day. Last night as the sun set the first
>>>>quarter moon was directly overhead! Next Sabbath the moon will be
>>>>full. The key to understanding YHWH's calendar is that the new moons
>>>>are a third class of days. Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate
>>>>of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six
>>>>working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of
>>>>the new moon it shall be opened. We have three categories of days here
>>>>that are mutually exclusive. The gate can't be open and shut at the
>>>>same time. In a twenty nine day month we have a new moon day
>>>>(conjunction) followed by four seven day weeks. In a thirty day month
>>>>there is a double new moon day.
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>P.S. Cheryl, you misspelled sacrilegious
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cheryl wrote:
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>>>>>I'm wondering if Carl or any Messianic Jews reading this would know why
>>>>>Passover follows Easter this year. How can this be? Who decided to put
>>>>>these dates as they are? This seems rather sacriligious or occultish
>>>>>to
>>>>>me. This could be interpreted as a "proof" against Scripture. I think
>>>>>I
>>>>>may decide to celebrate Easter at a different time this year than
>>>>>everybody
>>>>>else, just as a matter of principle.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheryl
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