[geocentrism] Re: Passover and Easter Dates Reversed
- From: Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:48:38 -0600
Cheryl,
I'm afraid that the devil got his horns in when he set up the Julian and
Gregorian calendars. Continuously repeating seven day weeks is not the
Creator's idea. It is very hard for us to see this because we have a
hard time admitting that something so much a part of our lives could be
wrong. Again, weeks as we know them now are nowhere in the Bible.
Real months start with the new moon. In the lunar/solar calendar used
in Scripture the first month of the year was associated with the stage
of the barley crop. This usually corresponds with the first new moon
after the equinox, but this year is apparently the month that began 9
days before the equinox. Currently, Jews and Christians calculate
calendars in advance, rather than waiting for the agricultural signs.
I'm afraid that following the Jews or the Christians now is not
necessarily the same as following YHWH. For example Easter always falls
on Sunday; whereas, Messiah's resurrection fell on the 16th of Abib
(which is the day after the sabbath on the 15th). However, the 16th of
Abib can fall on any day of the Gregorian calendar.
You are right that the dates are reversed this year. We can't change
the Jewish or Christian calendars, but we can attempt to learn and
follow the Creator's calendar and meet on his appointed times!
Carl
Cheryl wrote:
>Carl -- In the Jewish calendar, I wonder if it is possible that the New
>Year could have been started at another date than the one that was picked?
>Is that possible? If so, would that have affected the date of Passover?
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>I realize that Easter is the name of the old pagan holiday, which is why KJV
>refers to Easter in Acts 12:4 (translating from "pascha" normally rendered
>passover 26 other times by KJV translators) -- because it (Easter) was after
>the feast of unleavened bread (i.e. after Passover). Passover can't be
>after Passover, and King Herod was literally waiting until after the pagan
>holiday of Easter.
>
>Nonetheless, the name of Easter has come to mean the celebration of the
>resurrection of Jesus. I don't know who is to blame for affixing that name
>to that momentous event. Christians are free to call it Resurrection Day or
>Victory Day or whatever name they choose to call it.
>
>The Easter part has to do with the bunnies and eggs and candy and all that
>stuff.
>
>As Christians we certainly can't refuse to acknowledge and celebrate the day
>our Lord won His victory over Satan and death just because maybe the Devil
>managed to horn in and get the wrong name affixed to the Lord's Day.
>
>And Christians began to meet and to worship on Sunday spontaneously as it is
>recorded in the Bible, and Scripture says they did so because Sunday was
>Resurrection Day. (Rev. 1:10, 1 Cor. 10:16, and Acts 20:7).
>
>But since we know that Jesus was crucified after he had taken the Passover
>meal, being Jewish himself -- (He came unto his own and his own received him
>not) -- it's not right that Resurrection Day (Easter) should be celebrated
>before Passover, not at all.
>
> Either the Jewish Calendar or the Gregorian Calendar needs to make way for
>the historical fact, by which BOTH calendars are dated (AD, BC, and the CE
>and BCE of the Jewish calendar.)
>
>This is an insult to God and a slap in His face to have these dates reversed
>IMHO. I for one will not celebrate this day until after Passover. I think
>Passover should give way to Resurrection Day because even the Jewish
>Calendar acknowledges its dating from Christianity.
>
>Not a good thing on top of all the other awful stuff -- the legalized
>homosexual marriages, the child abductions, the massive pedophilia that's
>erupting, the depravaity, abortions, all the terrible wickedness.
>
>***
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carl Felland" <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:52 AM
>Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Passover and Easter Dates Reversed
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>>Cheryl,
>>"Easter had a pre-Christian origin, namely a festival in honour of
>>Eostre, the Teutonic dawn-goddess, also known as Eos, the Greek
>>dawn-goddess, and as Usha or Ushas, the Hindu dawn-goddess" (Koster,
>>C.J. 1996. Come Out of Her, My People, Institute For Scripture
>>Research, South Africa). To celebrate Easter seems rather sacrilegious
>>or occultist to me.
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>>I said in an earlier post that this month is an intercalary month in the
>>Jewish calendar, a thirteenth month. The reason is that the equinox
>>occurs after this past new moon. Jewish observation of Passover this
>>year is in the month beginning after the equinox.
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>>However, the Karaites www.karaite-korner.org/ and other Jewish groups
>>are considering this the first month based on the development of the
>>barley crop. Moses told the Israelites to begin the year with the month
>>of Abib. Deu 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover
>>unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought
>>thee forth out of Egypt by night. Barley in the stage of Abib at the
>>new moon indicates that it will be ready for the first fruits offering
>>on the day after the first day of Unleavened Bread. Lev 23:11 And he
>>shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the
>>morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
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>>Thus the debate on the importance of equinox rages. Scripture doesn't
>>mention equinox. Others may want to comment on how Easter is fixed, but
>>I will share my understanding of the Greek pascha of the New Testament.
>>
>>Messiah observed the Torah or Old Testament law. In the month of Abib
>>he celebrated Passover on the 14th. This was the day that he was
>>crucified. He rested in the grave on the first day of Unleavened Bread
>>that was a high sabbath and also a normal weekly sabbath. Joh 19:31
>>The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies
>>should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath
>>day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken,
>>and [that] they might be taken away. He rose from the grave on the day
>>following the Sabbath, the day of the Wave-sheath offering.
>>
>>No one in the group has responded to my assertion that the weeks are
>>determined by the moon. The calendar that most of the world observes
>>today originated as the Julian and has come to us in the form of the
>>Gregorian Calendar. Check any history to see that Julius Caesar ordered
>>a calendar that disregarded the moon. He in effect was trying to
>>supplant the calendar put into the heavens by the Creator. His calendar
>>even had an eight day week. Constantine instituted the seven day
>>planetary week (this also seems rather sacrilegious or occultist to
>>me.) I've been concerned that Christians worship on SUNday; while in
>>fact, Saturday sounds suspiciously like SATYRday or Satan's Day!
>>
>>Today is a Biblical sabbath day. Last night as the sun set the first
>>quarter moon was directly overhead! Next Sabbath the moon will be
>>full. The key to understanding YHWH's calendar is that the new moons
>>are a third class of days. Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate
>>of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six
>>working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of
>>the new moon it shall be opened. We have three categories of days here
>>that are mutually exclusive. The gate can't be open and shut at the
>>same time. In a twenty nine day month we have a new moon day
>>(conjunction) followed by four seven day weeks. In a thirty day month
>>there is a double new moon day.
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>P.S. Cheryl, you misspelled sacrilegious
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>>Cheryl wrote:
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>>>I'm wondering if Carl or any Messianic Jews reading this would know why
>>>Passover follows Easter this year. How can this be? Who decided to put
>>>these dates as they are? This seems rather sacriligious or occultish to
>>>me. This could be interpreted as a "proof" against Scripture. I think I
>>>may decide to celebrate Easter at a different time this year than
>>>everybody
>>>else, just as a matter of principle.
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>>>Cheryl
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