In my defence, however, I would argue that this is what 'Jesus' stresses by seemingly repeating his admonition to seek: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." (1st canonical gospel 7:7,8, NIV.) Neville With regret, even Catholics believe this, but to me its all bull.. If a child of Islam seeks and believes, he finds Islam, a Hindu, hinduism, an Angilcan the church of England, and a Catholic the Roman Church and so on.. The evidence everywhere says that this does not work...diversity in contradiction cannot be right.. unity in diversity is a contradiction. For elsewhere Jesus says, "I chose you. " not you chose me...and elsewhere many are called, but FEW are chosen. and again, if you accept Paul, "as he chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.." Seek and ye shall find.. Neville, Jack, and Phil and Dave etc all feel they have found the truth, yet only ONE, or NONE, can have it. And going on the averages against the trillions of created souls, NONE is the most likely among our little group and the entire world today. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! What a dismal and unhappy creation. What a promise? Its like saying you might win the lottery.. Worse.. the averages of chance for the whole human race in all of time are far worse. Yet not liking it cannot change it. Not Neville. Not I. Its a stupid scientist who says He does not exist. Its the height of stupidity and arrogant pride to claim such perfection in a matter where you do not find out you are wrong till its too late.. I'm not so perfect. I'll take some insurance thankyou .. I'll buy a ticket.... and try to pay my premiums every year. Philip. for some relief I have a question for the astronomers next....