[geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:11:52 -0700 (PDT)
Philip,
1. I did not say all you had to do was accknoledge Christ/ God exist...the
devil does not accept Christ. He tried to get Christ to worship him (the
devil).....? and war broke out in heaven thing....ummm
2. No where in scripture did everyone in the chruch understand everything the
same or equally...NEVER! Maybe that is why let not many of you be teachers..and
some things hard to understand and "first principles"/ milk v solid
food..........ummmm the logical end of your approach prevents everyone from
salvation....Even all Good Roman Chatholics do not know and understand
everything about "the faith" which according to Roman Chatholosism includes all
Chruch traditions and doctrines.........................if you dont know it or
understand it all then how can you calim to accept and belive all %100 ????
Saying i accept the church's authority is like saying there is one God.......
unless you obey do you realy accept or just accknoledging it's existance...?
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:32:10 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
...JESUS CHRIST....nor do you have to know every true thing about Christ to
have the truth...i personly dont know the truth of the color of cloths he
wore...????
But not only must you believe in Christ, (the Devil does that) but in ALL that
he taught. 9 commandments is not enough you know. There can be no such thing
as a "saved 99% Christian."
Trillions miss out on that 1% BY DEBATING divorce, birth control, sex,
cloning, euthanasia, abortion, et al. It sems the Bible is a massive failure as
well, because it divides....and your answer what ever it is Allen can do
nothing but confirm this division..
34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace,
but the sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law. 36 And a man's enemies shall be they of his own household.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:32 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
Your objection does not negate or address the fact that
1.truth whatever it is is intrinsic to itself not me or you.
2. If you philip say that you accept Christ then you must accept his words...He
is the way and the truth and if you seek him you will find him......not budda!
You are confusing every thing that is true in the universe with the truth that
brings salvation...you dont have to know every thing in the universe or oevery
truth in the universe to obtain salvation from the one you seek it form...JESUS
CHRIST....nor do you have to know every true thing about Christ to have the
truth...i personly dont know the truth of the color of cloths he wore...????
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:49:34 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
But Allen, that is not an answer.. If it is you who have found the TRUTH
through seeking, then no one else here has. If I have it, then still no one
else has found it. Maybe nobody has it.
Don't you see how meaningless and useless the promise is? Its about as valuable
as the one which promises you can tell that mountain to move, and it will
move.. Has that ever been done ever? There is no way, save a bolt of
lightening and a pillar of flame from Heaven, to confirm what you found... Oh
yes there are plenty of excuses that may fool you into believing it, but
everybody has a great number of conficting proofs of that sort.
Talking about pillars of flame, how about a real audio voice in your head. Back
at the Tokyo exhibition, many decades ago, it was demonstrated where two
soundless ultrasonic waves one modulated with audio, were beamed directly into
the position your head was, and you in that position heard the voice of God,
and no-one else heard a thing.. Old hat, but quickly confiscated, never to be
seen again, except we now have a spate of Islamic suicide bombers, and drugged
out school kids obediently shooting up and killing people because they heard
God telling them what to do... And they really did hear him...
Oh what a joyful experience to be confirmed in this way, for the unenlightened
anyway.. You see, Neville would know it was not God, because his God does not
kill like that..But thats just a nice feeling wish. He cannot be absolutely
sure. "Vengeance is mine" sayeth the Lord..
You would not kill, saying it is the voice of the Devil not God. But I would
say someone has some electronic equipment nearby...
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:25 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
Why bull?..again context is everything...Did Christ come to preach islam or
hindu or somthing else?..Chriat is not saying what ever you find will be ok
with God as long as you seek!?......He is saying that if you look for him/
truth the words of life and truth you will find them........ the importaince of
not taking a few words or Christ external of all of his words and developing a
Gospel out of it.....It would be just as erroneous to take the instructions of
employer out of context when he states..." well if you dont feel good just go
home".......If you dont put that statement into its context I could attempt to
use that for any and every case when and where i did not feel good....come guys
use the same approach to Christ as you would any other real person......There
is the imediate context and there is also the "big piture"
context...............I bet none of you have any problems making the
distinctions or "figuring it out" at work or anywhere else
for that matter.....? ..That is the point....."seek and you will
find."................not find what you want then "call it good" coz you
"seeked it"....!?.
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:04:04 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
In my defence, however, I would argue that this is what 'Jesus' stresses by
seemingly repeating his admonition to seek: "Ask and it will be given to you;
seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone
who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be
opened." (1st canonical gospel 7:7,8, NIV.) Neville
With regret, even Catholics believe this, but to me its all bull..
If a child of Islam seeks and believes, he finds Islam, a Hindu, hinduism, an
Angilcan the church of England, and a Catholic the Roman Church and so on..
The evidence everywhere says that this does not work...diversity in
contradiction cannot be right.. unity in diversity is a contradiction.
For elsewhere Jesus says, "I chose you. " not you chose me...and elsewhere
many are called, but FEW are chosen. and again, if you accept Paul, "as he
chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.."
Seek and ye shall find.. Neville, Jack, and Phil and Dave etc all feel they
have found the truth, yet only ONE, or NONE, can have it. And going on the
averages against the trillions of created souls, NONE is the most likely among
our little group and the entire world today.
14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few
there are that find it!
What a dismal and unhappy creation. What a promise? Its like saying you might
win the lottery.. Worse.. the averages of chance for the whole human race in
all of time are far worse.
Yet not liking it cannot change it. Not Neville. Not I. Its a stupid scientist
who says He does not exist. Its the height of stupidity and arrogant pride to
claim such perfection in a matter where you do not find out you are wrong till
its too late..
I'm not so perfect. I'll take some insurance thankyou .. I'll buy a ticket....
and try to pay my premiums every year.
Philip.
for some relief I have a question for the astronomers next....
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