Neville said, So whatever catastrophe occurred, had to be man-made. There was no Noah's Ark. Otherwise our Father would be tarred with the same vile brush that tars the Ezraelites. The father of the Ezraelites is the Devil, as Christ told them plainly, and the works of their father they do. The god of the Old Testament/Torah/Talmud is the Devil. I am waking up to my bugle call. A little late, perhaps, but better late than never!! But Neville we all have this human feeling of horror about what appears to be Gods inhuman treatment of humans. Have you not considered the way we commonly accept and understand it? To God the entire history of the world to its consumation is the spark off a blacksmiths anvil, compared to eternity. God is not human. Jesus yes, but He has the same omnipotence and omniprescience as the Father. What is any form of suffering, even if continuous for a lifetime of years compared to eternity. Yet you find intolerable a few hours of violence. Of course its man made, or caused, even if the direct hand of God is involved. God knows the whole picture, and you endanger your soul by denying Him that right, by trying to impose or limit Him to human intelligence or reason, even human justice. In short, if you understood the metaphysical implications of the crucifixion, the eternal sacrifice, that no ordinary man could sustain, yet was accepted by the man God Jesus, as reparation for the offences of all mankind, then the horror that you and I feel at these skirmishes , Dresden, Palestine, et al are minor. Keep in mind, these people have rejected God. If innocent children die by the sword, and inherit eternal life, I do not think they will complain, but rather thank God for taking out their parents in time. As indeed the Jews.Their suffering is yet to come. Eternal life is not free. The saints embraced suffering. Philip.