-----Original Message-----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle callThanks Neville.. yes, i would like to discuss this with you. But fundimentlay i still dont see how you arive at the definiton of a good and bad tree. That teaching comes from Christ but he did not preach a different God then the one in the OT. What you call bad could just as well be God's justice.....that is how Christ Described it particularly in terms of what men consdiered to be "fair" v how God Accounts things to men....... Jesus did not renounce the God of the Jews he Denounced the God of thoese Jews who opposed him and the scriptures of the jews....?
----- Original Message ----
From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 12:01:47 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
Allen,
The answer to your question is as follows:
You cannot get good fruit from a bad tree. It is simply impossible. Hence, when you see compassion, truth, beauty, love, ..., in the world, then it must have come from a good tree, or source. This source I call God, or our Father.
In the same way, you do not get bad fruit from a good tree, only from a bad tree. Hence, the hatred, blood-lust, jealousy, ..., seen in the world comes from, or at least is nurtured by, a bad source. This source I call the Devil.
Although there are a few instances of truth in the OT, I grant you that, there is an awful lot of bad stuff in there. Hence, the god of the Jews is the Devil. Hence, they are of their father, the Devil and the works of their father they do. This agrees with what the man now known as 'Jesus' said.
As for what sayings I accept have genuinely come from Lucifer (the bringer of light, wrongly associated with the Devil), they become obvious through the spirit and through reason.
I hope that this covers your (perfectly reasonable) concerns. If you want to debate the issue, then I think that is a positive and responsible thing to do.
Neville.
-----Original Message-----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:40:44 -0800 (PST)Neville,
What if the God of the OT is the real God..and the one you describe is not the God of Christ? How do you know if what you describe about God is the real & right one?.....How and what do you use to evaluate who and what the "real God" is and would/ would not do.......? If you hold to Christ...well..where did preach a different God then the one found in the OT....?.. If you do not hold to Christ then how can you know anything about "the true God" .....would not everything you espouse about God external of a benchmark outside your head just be an imagination of what you think and want God to be?.......Im not trying to antagonize you, only to understand your reasoning and then see if I can argue the/ any point(s)/issues with you meaningfully.
----- Original Message ----
From: Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 1:22:26 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
All,
One of the strongest geocentric accounts in the Bible, the strongest in Bouw's opinion, is Joshua's long day. I have a talk on this in Geocentric Universe versions 2.1, 2.2 and 3.0, as many of you know.
That our Father could stop the Sun and Moon from orbiting the World, I have no doubt about, if indeed the geocentric model is correct, but the reason given in Joshua is utterly false. It is blasphemous to suggest that our Father would do that such that the Jews could slaughter thousands more Amorites et al., in one of their usual, blood-crazed orgies (c.f. present-day Palestine). I hereby retract the GU talk and apologise for misleading anyone as to the nature of our Father.
On a similar note, I was disgusted by the cowardly aerial bombardment of Palestinian men, women, children and animals by the Ezraeli Air Force recently, supported by the whores in the American, French, German, Canadian, Australian and British governments who are happy to accept Jewish money soaked in blood. I then realized that our Father would never flood the World with water "from above." This is quite apart from the fact that basic physics shows such a phenomenal transfer of kinetic energy into heat and erosion to be impossible to withstand. So whatever catastrophe occurred, had to be man-made. There was no Noah's Ark. Otherwise our Father would be tarred with the same vile brush that tars the Ezraelites. The father of the Ezraelites is the Devil, as Christ told them plainly, and the works of their father they do. The god of the Old Testament/Torah/Talmud is the Devil.
I am waking up to my bugle call. A little late, perhaps, but better late than never!!
Regards,
Neville.
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