[geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
God created trillions and trillions of people....
The greatest majority of whom are failures such that only a few are chosen..
the rest he hates forever.
The question may be asked, but not allowed. Who is to blame for this massive
failure?
If God had created man with no free will then God but then could you realy Call
it a failure?.....If that was his plan?.....on the other hand, if God Created
man with a free will then man is to blame for the failure of his own
choices......That is why i addressed choice 1.options 2.ability to exiercise
the options.. if there was no forbiden tree to eat from there would have been
no choice....if God did not give man the ability to exercise the choice there
would have been no choice...........If man has a choice then God cannot be
blamed for man's own choices/ failure....If man does not have a choice then
there is no failure, only God's master plan....nothing more then triming the
hedges/ prunning the rose gardens and cutting down the beautifull grass when he
so chooses.......????
In short... either ther is no way to define it as a failure ........or........
the failure is ours!
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:17:11 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
Your objection does not negate or address the fact that as below........
Allen.
Allen, this debate is not about me or you or salvation. We each do that for
ourselves. Its not even an objection. This is about rational scientific
reasoning as to why. (though I will cover this next)
When a truthful fact is unpalatable no one wants to hear it or think of it.
Everyone here has ignored a fact I stated. I will state it again in simple
terms.
From the Christian Bible/religion:
God created trillions and trillions of people....
The greatest majority of whom are failures such that only a few are chosen..
the rest he hates forever.
The question may be asked, but not allowed. Who is to blame for this massive
failure?
Philip.
I'm still mystified as to what this means:
Every duty had its own own bugle call
but it sounds good
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:32 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
Your objection does not negate or address the fact that
1.truth whatever it is is intrinsic to itself not me or you.
2. If you philip say that you accept Christ then you must accept his words...He
is the way and the truth and if you seek him you will find him......not budda!
You are confusing every thing that is true in the universe with the truth that
brings salvation...you dont have to know every thing in the universe or oevery
truth in the universe to obtain salvation from the one you seek it form...JESUS
CHRIST....nor do you have to know every true thing about Christ to have the
truth...i personly dont know the truth of the color of cloths he wore...????
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:49:34 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
But Allen, that is not an answer.. If it is you who have found the TRUTH
through seeking, then no one else here has. If I have it, then still no one
else has found it. Maybe nobody has it.
Don't you see how meaningless and useless the promise is? Its about as valuable
as the one which promises you can tell that mountain to move, and it will
move.. Has that ever been done ever? There is no way, save a bolt of
lightening and a pillar of flame from Heaven, to confirm what you found... Oh
yes there are plenty of excuses that may fool you into believing it, but
everybody has a great number of conficting proofs of that sort.
Talking about pillars of flame, how about a real audio voice in your head. Back
at the Tokyo exhibition, many decades ago, it was demonstrated where two
soundless ultrasonic waves one modulated with audio, were beamed directly into
the position your head was, and you in that position heard the voice of God,
and no-one else heard a thing.. Old hat, but quickly confiscated, never to be
seen again, except we now have a spate of Islamic suicide bombers, and drugged
out school kids obediently shooting up and killing people because they heard
God telling them what to do... And they really did hear him...
Oh what a joyful experience to be confirmed in this way, for the unenlightened
anyway.. You see, Neville would know it was not God, because his God does not
kill like that..But thats just a nice feeling wish. He cannot be absolutely
sure. "Vengeance is mine" sayeth the Lord..
You would not kill, saying it is the voice of the Devil not God. But I would
say someone has some electronic equipment nearby...
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:25 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
Why bull?..again context is everything...Did Christ come to preach islam or
hindu or somthing else?..Chriat is not saying what ever you find will be ok
with God as long as you seek!?......He is saying that if you look for him/
truth the words of life and truth you will find them........ the importaince of
not taking a few words or Christ external of all of his words and developing a
Gospel out of it.....It would be just as erroneous to take the instructions of
employer out of context when he states..." well if you dont feel good just go
home".......If you dont put that statement into its context I could attempt to
use that for any and every case when and where i did not feel good....come guys
use the same approach to Christ as you would any other real person......There
is the imediate context and there is also the "big piture"
context...............I bet none of you have any problems making the
distinctions or "figuring it out" at work or anywhere else
for that matter.....? ..That is the point....."seek and you will
find."................not find what you want then "call it good" coz you
"seeked it"....!?.
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:04:04 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Every duty had its own own bugle call
In my defence, however, I would argue that this is what 'Jesus' stresses by
seemingly repeating his admonition to seek: "Ask and it will be given to you;
seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone
who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be
opened." (1st canonical gospel 7:7,8, NIV.) Neville
With regret, even Catholics believe this, but to me its all bull..
If a child of Islam seeks and believes, he finds Islam, a Hindu, hinduism, an
Angilcan the church of England, and a Catholic the Roman Church and so on..
The evidence everywhere says that this does not work...diversity in
contradiction cannot be right.. unity in diversity is a contradiction.
For elsewhere Jesus says, "I chose you. " not you chose me...and elsewhere
many are called, but FEW are chosen. and again, if you accept Paul, "as he
chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.."
Seek and ye shall find.. Neville, Jack, and Phil and Dave etc all feel they
have found the truth, yet only ONE, or NONE, can have it. And going on the
averages against the trillions of created souls, NONE is the most likely among
our little group and the entire world today.
14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few
there are that find it!
What a dismal and unhappy creation. What a promise? Its like saying you might
win the lottery.. Worse.. the averages of chance for the whole human race in
all of time are far worse.
Yet not liking it cannot change it. Not Neville. Not I. Its a stupid scientist
who says He does not exist. Its the height of stupidity and arrogant pride to
claim such perfection in a matter where you do not find out you are wrong till
its too late..
I'm not so perfect. I'll take some insurance thankyou .. I'll buy a ticket....
and try to pay my premiums every year.
Philip.
for some relief I have a question for the astronomers next....
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