[geocentrism] Re: Calendar query
- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:46:44 +1000
Carl, God could have created everything in an instant. That He chose to do it
in the manner prescribed must have been for a reason, perhaps a lesson, and for
the setting up of the calandar and the seasons etc.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Felland
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:39 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Calendar query
Neville,
Exo 20:11 For [in] six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH
blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Concerning the New Moon is Full Moon, your reason for thinking this
doesn't seem to make sense. Remember, that YHWH communed with Adam in
the garden. He could have taught him all about the moon. But, if your
thesis is true, the month would start with a one or two day full moon
and the first of Unleavened Bread on the fifteenth would have been the
astronomical conjuction, a no moon. It would still have to have been a
one day sabbath. You would have already had the New Moon, so I don't
see how you could have had another one at the time of the conjuction.
I brought up Exo. 20:11 to introduce another aspect to our calendar
discussion. When did the first day of creation begin? How about at
Genesis 1:3, "And God said." I don't put any gap between the second and
third verse (or first and second), but present the argument that there
is an unspecified day before the first day of making the heaven and
earth. One this unspecified day God put all the materials in place, he
"created the heavens and the earth." He had to have something to move
over in Genesis 1:2. He then worked on these materials for six days and
rested on the seventh. The word made in Exodus 20: 11 is a key.
One can present an argument that the first sabbath was on the 8th of the
month following a New (dark) moon. Scriptures do not say the moon was
created on day four, but that it was made. This word made often carries
the meaning of being appointed.
Open fire...
Carl
Dr. Neville Jones wrote:
>Carl,
>
>Thank you for replying. I know that we have briefly touched on this
privately, but I wanted to throw the whole issue open to the forum.
>
>As you have probably gleaned, I have a tendency to advocate that what the
Bible calls a "New Moon" is what we would, astronomically, call a "Full Moon."
My primary reasoning for this is the fact that Adam would have regarded the
Moon as "New" when he first saw it. And he must have been able to see it. :-)
>
>Have you thought how your interpretation of the Biblical calendar would be
altered, if you substitute this Full Moon meaning for the New Moon? I would be
intrigued to see your conclusions, if you could spare the time to submit them.
>
>As regards your comment that, "the Gospels do not show Messiah in the grave
for three days," I wish to offer the following, from the King James Version of
the Holy Scriptures:
>
>(Jonah 1:17 KJV) Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah.
And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
>(Mat 12:38-40 KJV) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees
answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and
said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and
there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as
Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of
man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
>
>(John 2:18-21 KJV) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign
showest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? Jesus answered and
said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then
said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou
rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.
>I remain, Yours in Christ,
>
>Neville.
>
>
>Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Neville,
>
>The short answer is "No."
>
>My longer response is two-fold. First, that your thesis would
>necessitate the understanding that the New Moon is the Full Moon and
>second, that the Gospels do not show Messiah in the grave for three days.
>
>Passover and the first day of Unleavened Bread fall in the middle of the
>month on the 14th and 15th, respectively. Now, there is a very small
>group of people who argue that the New Moon is the Full Moon, which may
>allow your thesis. I can't see this as a possibility because of history
>and logic. History, as in dictionary definitions, shows the New Moon
>being firstly astonomical new moon and secondly a crescent moon.
>Logically, the two primary divisions of the moon's appearance from earth
>are when it is visible and when it is not visible. The period when it
>is not visible is that unique period of time each month that I argue is
>a "month-end/beginning" holiday. The Full Moon is still important, but
>as the second sabbath of the month and being at the beginning of the
>pilgramage feasts of Unleavened Bread in the first month and Tabernacles
>in the seventh month.
>
>Concerning the Gospel accounts... In Mark 15: 42 "And now when the even
>was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the
>sabbath," we see Messiah's death and burial on the preparation, the day
>before the sabbath. Exodus 16:5 shows that the day before the weekly
>sabbath is a preparation. The next reference to sabbath is Mark 16: 1
>"And when the sabbath was past..." Logically, this would be the same
>sabbath that was referred to in Mark 15: 42. Compare also Luke 23: 54-
>24: 1.
>
>In Matthew 27: 62 "Now the next day, that followed the day of the
>preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,"
>we see again the preparation and based on the above evidence the next
>day would be the sabbath. Continuing on to Matthew 28: 1 again we have
>the women going to the tomb after the sabbath on the first day of the
>week. [An alternately punctuated Matthew 27: 66 - Matthew 28: 1 as "So
>they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a
>watch in the end of the sabbath. As it began to dawn toward the first
>[day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
>sepulchre." may better hamonize the Gospels.] In John 19:31 "The Jews
>therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not
>remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an
>high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that]
>they might be taken away." The preparation was for a weekly sabbath
>day, that also happened to be an high day. In John 19: 42- 20: 1 again
>we see no gaps in the sequence of 1st day) preparation where death and
>burial occurred (Passover), 2nd day) sabbath in the grave (First day of
>Unleavened Bread), and 3rd day) first day of the week with resurrection
>(Wave Sheath offering). This sequence fits the resurrection on the
>third day as in Luke 24:46 "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and
>thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:"
>
>On another note, I found a error in my Biblical Calendar overview.
>Towards the end in the New Moon section the last sentence should read
>"The crescent may be easily visible after twenty four to thirty six
>hours depending on location, local conditions, lag time, etc."
>
>Carl
>
>Dr. Neville Jones wrote:
>
>
>
>>Carl,
>>
>>Sorry, I meant the Sabbath on the 29th, which precedes the New Moon, and
thus explains the gap before the "first day of the week."
>>
>>Yours in Christ,
>>
>>Neville.
>>
>>
>>"Dr. Neville Jones" wrote:
>>Carl,
>>
>>In your opinion, is it possible that Christ's execution took place on the
day before a New Moon, thus explaining how he was in the memorial tomb for
three days?
>>
>>Neville.
>>
>>
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